The Astrology of Sports: Previewing the NFL Draft

Hey everyone, this is Adam Elenbaas from Nightlight Astrology, and today I am joined by my buddies, Kipp and Spencer, to discuss some updates in the world of sports. If you are new to this series, we like to look at the astrology of different sports teams and different athletes and different major sporting events. Take a look at astrology and its manifestations in the lives of athletes. This is fun for us because we're sports fans and we're into astrology. But also, it's been a way of connecting to a different kind of audience. There are a lot of people out there who like sports and astrology; you rarely see them put together. Also, we've had a lot of people say, hey, I've been able to get my husband into astrology because of the show. So that's been a bonus trying to maybe bring in a little bit more men to the audience, which is always cool. 

So today, we are going to be looking at a variety of different things. We're going to look at some NFL astrology updates and some NBA astrology updates; I've got a few other miscellaneous things we're going to look at that were really interesting. So that is our agenda for today. 

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I'm glad to bring my friends Kipp and Spencer back onto the show. Hey guys. Really stoked to get back into it. So it's been a while since we've met things got a little busy. We were we traveled a little bit for the kid's spring break. And that sort of set us back. But it's also kind of like it's been it's a little quiet like we had the excitement of March Madness. Now the NFL draft is coming up in free agency. We could have done an episode probably right around the free agency that would have been really interesting. But the NFL season has been quiet. You've been coming down the homestretch of the NBA season; we're just turning the corner into the playoffs. You know, baseball season has just started the games. By the way, that's interesting that the games are significantly faster now. They have this pitch clock if you guys watch them at all.

Kipp

Baseball lost me a while back.

Adam Elenbaas

Yeah. Well, it's actually like, you know, I sat down and watched a game the other night, and it was about an hour and 50 minutes, which is, you know, the average was like three hours. So they've cut the time down significantly. They also have some interesting rules that they put, like one rule that they put in last year is that if it goes to extra innings, you start the extra inning with a man on second. So that's really interesting; they also shortened the base length slightly so that stealing is a little bit easier. 

They also are no longer allowing the shift, which means that you can't, you can't like, basically cover up certain areas to, you know, take care of statistical likelihoods that a person is going to hit in a certain direction and make it almost impossible to get a hit in that direction. So they banned that, which means that there are a lot more hits and stuff like that. So, as a baseball fan, I feel like my love of baseball has been dwindling, but these new rules are honestly like pretty cool. 

The one thing that they had to do, which was interesting, as they had to adjust for concession sales because the games are so fast now that they're they had to allow the concessions guys to sell through the whole game or through the eighth inning now or something like that. So it's been interesting to see the news happening there. Should we start with some NFL astrology updates? What do you guys think? 

Kipp 

That sounds great. I want to start this, though, by making sure we pat ourselves on the back because we did the Super Bowl last time all three of us took Kansas City was not unanimous. The betting lines were really, really tight, and we nailed it.

Adam Elenbaas

The thing that I will also say about that game, you know, that was really incredible in addition to Spencer's, you know, streak now of using the self-note technique, which was pretty cool. Was that we made some comments about what Rihanna's halftime show was likely to do or be we were like, it's gonna be, you know, colorful and provocative in some way, because of the heavy Uranus signature and Moon in Scorpio signature and all of that. And she came out and made it known that she was pregnant. Like, part of the artistic statement of the show, which was like, I think we had said that we thought maybe it would be like a political statement or, you know, something like that, was so surprising.

Kipp 

I think that is political, though. I mean, the notion that someone is on the biggest stage, maybe for any musician of the entire year, worldwide, who comes out and does that show pregnant, that's, I think that was really something, and maybe because we've seen it a bit now. But I mean, I remember when Ali Wong came out, did her first stand-up routine, her special pregnant, it was huge, like in into that. Number one, her stand-up is extremely dirty, and so I thought that it was really cool that she's being motherly and really filthy. But also, you know, it's like, she's taken center stage. And so, like, this is just part of my life. You know, the lifecycle is happening, and I'm kicking butt, and I think that's kind of what Rihanna did.

Adam Elenbaas

That's a great point. Yeah, it was; it was so Moon in Scorpio, opposite Uranus in Taurus. It was like; it was like the perfect expression of that. No, you're right. It is a kind of political statement. Yeah, that was amazing. And the game was close, and God, I was, like, two seconds away from feeling like I had made the most amazing prediction of my astrological life with the backup. But what was his name?

Kipp  

Chad Henne. Yeah.

Adam Elenbaas

He almost had to come in because Patrick Mahomes got injured early on and was like hobbling. And everyone's like, Patrick, here, Chad Henne was like throwing on the sideline, we were showing him, and I was like, Oh, my God, it's going to happen. I don't even care about the outcome of the game, but then Spencer pointed out to me that right after the game, he announced on live television that he was retired, he retired. There's the Uranian moment. I mean, that was what it was. So that was just really profound. It was like, wow, not, you know, not, it's never exactly what you expect. But it's pretty cool that we can see those signatures and talk about them and then watch them come to pass in some way.

Spencer

I do feel like calling the soup the two Super Bowl participants and the winner correctly, in, like, the beginning of November, was probably one of the best predictions that I've made with astrology.

Adam Elenbaas 

True, true. And you know, at the same time, it must have felt extra special to dunk on all those Philly fans. 

Spencer 

They gave me a lot of crap for making that prediction. I will admit, you know, there is always an element of luck involved with all of this. So I don't want to, like, you know, toot my own horn too much about it because they were pretty good teams at the time. I don't know if people were calling exactly those two teams. People definitely weren't calling for KC to win that game.

Adam Elenbaas

I think the Bills were probably one of the heavy favorites. I mean, Kansas City is always up there. But it was still, I mean, you pick both teams, pick them far in advance. You had good reasoning behind it. I was saying you should be a little at me.

Spencer

Well, those Philly fans, man, I, you know, as I said, as I said, so I don't get murdered if I ever go to Philadelphia is that I do respect the passion of fans of teams like that, that are really excited. But they could have been a little bit nicer to me online. That's what I'll say.

Adam Elenbaas

I will say like, I know, I've because, you know, I was on the East Coast for a while. So I had a chance to meet and know a lot of Philly fans, and I think it's always the worst among us, you know, that that ended up somehow becoming the caricature of what people think about all of us in groups like that, many times I've met people who think that Vikings fans all wear horned helmets and just drink out of huge gallon jugs of beer or something, too. So there's always stereotypes and images that come to our head and Philly fans that, you know, the unfortunate stereotype is that they're all going to beat you. But they're like really passionate, wonderful fans.

Spencer

I will say I do sort of have a small regret for not putting a stack on my feelings. This was one of the comments I got that I could have been like, instead of this. I could have been like

Adam Elenbaas

Well, what's new in the world of the NFL? We've got the draft coming up. Free agency was interesting. Lamar Jackson needs to know there's a whole conspiracy going down. I want to bring up his chart too. But there's a lot of stuff happening with the upcoming draft. You guys want to start there. Where do you guys want to start? 

Kipp  

We might as well. Here let me share. 

Spencer 

I mean, the biggest non-draft story is just the trade that isn't happening right now. Right. So we'll probably touch on the Aaron Rodgers thing, too, I'm sure. 

Adam Elenbaas 

Yeah, for sure.

Kipp 

Well, what this is, I have a few of the quarterbacks, and we have a rare draft without a ton of what we call blue chippers, meaning guys that you're that are so good, you have to take them first. And oftentimes, that's a quarterback. Again, and in sports, the quarterback is the number one driver of the entire team. And we have four quarterbacks who are all kind of up for being the top pick. And so I just pulled up a couple of them. I do have a prediction for the guy that's gonna go first. And that's that gentleman is up now. And that's Bryce Young.

Kipp

So for that, we have it in Las Vegas, Nevada. It's at 5pm. And it's April 28.

Spencer 

Is it, though, because I feel like the draft is in Kansas City this year? Oh, did I look up until the 28th? And the 27th? Yeah, it's on the 27th.

Kipp   

I used last years time for the draft for all my things. Yeah. Okay.

Spencer

No worries. I mean, we did this, we did that before to work.

Kipp 

Oh, because it's, so basically, it's just off by an hour. So I'm looking at did I use 2020 to two, but I did not. Almost everything is going to be identical other than the Moon, which didn't factor in any way, is fine.

The things that are important and actually kind of the way that the draft is a day earlier don't really hurt this at all. With Bryce Young, what you're going to see if you're going to see Venus return almost to the dot, and you're going to see Natal, Jupiter in Cancer. And I've noticed, looking at athletes, that when those benefics are in good positions, and oftentimes is really it's a boon for that athlete's career. Getting back to Bryce and Bryce Young is tiny. Bryce is 5'10' and weighs 200 pounds at the combine, but most folks feel like he's going to play at 190. Both of those sizes are for an NFL QB, who I think averages 6'3" and 220 lbs. I mean, he's, he takes significantly smaller than the ideal. And if that has nothing to do with anything else, it's those guys who get hit. And so to stick around 30 pounds less than most of your contemporaries, the chances of getting injured just become high, and that's unlikely you get picked. So if this guy were six foot four and weighed 220, he'd be such an obvious first-overall pick; it'd be unbelievable. 

Here you see natal Jupiter, natal north node training transiting Saturn; you see the Venus return. You have a natal Sun opposite Pluto, which is oftentimes considered to be a powerhouse. And the transit group of planets, including this Mercury Retrograde, which we'll probably discuss more than once, is both not getting in the way but also is kind of nestled into his chart in a comfortable way.

Then we get to CJ Stroud, oftentimes thought of as the second-best guy; I think CJ might actually have; you might have a tougher draft than then some might figure on, and that's for two reasons. 

One, we have the Mars opposition. So the two malefics can make things sore when we have Mars opposite Mars. But also, if you notice, all of his main personal planets, you got Mars, you got Venus, you got Jupiter, you got Saturn, those are all making contact, either one way or another, with this Mercury Retrograde, which kind of makes me think two things. 

Number one, things might not go as planned for CJ, but also, and I think, someone said this pregame. If there's a guy that might end up in a position where someone trades forum where there's some kind of delay and you don't really know what's going on, and maybe it takes longer than it's supposed to get the card in because there's been some shuffling around or some technical difficulties figuring out what's going on. I think CJ is in a great spot for that.

I don't necessarily think that that process hurts CJ because if you see, you have that Mercury Retrograde configured to CJ natal Venus is actually in mutual reception between Venus and Mercury, in Taurus. So Venus is in Virgo, Mercury in Taurus, but I think that's where you see the shuffling. 

The other one, I think, that's a really interesting chart. The quarterback is Anthony Richardson. The guy who was not all that successful in college is unbelievably off-the-charts. Athletes. You guys have probably both heard about his astounding combine, right? Huge, strong, fast, powerful, really raw. If you look at this chart, you see a lot of configurations that match up to having a great day. You see natal Jupiter configured to transiting Venus; you see some surprising things. We have a configuration where the natal Mercury is configured to transiting Uranus.

I think now we're at the point in the draft process where that isn't him going high is not too surprising an event. But if you would have said that this is a guy that could go in the top five before the draft process started, I think that would be pretty astounding. 

Just two more things I wanted to talk about. I have a couple of charts pulled up here that aren't that interesting. Bijan Robinson. This is a guy who's a running back. Across the board, people who evaluate the draft think that be Bijan Robinson, talent-wise, the top five guy; however, running backs in our position is really devalued. Some things about Bijan Robinson I just want to talk about just really briefly is I think he's going to be really, really good. 

You see a guy who, in his natal chart, has a configuration between Mars and Jupiter, oftentimes thought of as a war-like disposition. But you also see that Mars is an exact sextile with Saturn. When I see a positive configuration between Mars and Saturn, the first thing I think is when I see Mars and Saturn in a negative or conflicting configuration, I think both the gas and the brake push at the same time, and when I see Mars in a positive configuration, I see rocks rolling down hills or like a snowball rolling down the mountain and gaining momentum. 

I think when you have a guy who has tons of gas, has tons of good fortune, and you see this stuff configured together, consider an extremely talented guy. I think he's gonna be really, really good. This day doesn't look particularly benefic for him. I don't think he's going to do something like lightning going to strike, and he's suddenly going to arrive at the top of the draft, which no one thought, but I think Bijan Robinson is going to be great. That's a great chart for running back. And I think, as everyone in this podcast can attest, I'm always right about running backs. When it comes to the NFL, I never mess up, so take it to the bank. 

We have Jalen Carter, a guy who's thought of to be a top-five talent, maybe the best talent in the draft; he was a defensive lineman in college who was really, really good. The guys that people compare this guy to are all Hall of Famers and had a really sticky pre-draft process where he ended up getting arrested. But it was for weird like driving too fast charges. Nothing violent. There are red flags because this guy does not mind his p's and q's. But not stuff you want to have come up. It's not like conversate you what you want to have the conversation. I'll use this guy's a super hard worker who always shows up 150%, so it makes his draft stock muddied. Like we don't, we can't see clearly when it comes to Jalen Carter's draft stock. 

If you look at Jalen Carter's chart, you see here is Neptune Neptune is configured to Saturn natively. If you see transiting Neptune right here, you see the transiting Neptune is configured to a bunch of stuff going on in his natal chart almost exactly on top of, and if this is one day earlier, it will be exactly on top of Natal Mercury. So communication about this guy is foggy doesn't really know where it's going. There's just a ton of Neptunian stuff going on, which is it's not the most fun position when the biggest day of this young man's life up till now is happening right at or around this date. But what you think you're gonna find with a guy who's who, what we, what we know about him, what we expect things to happen is way up in the air. We don't. It's not really clear to us. So those are just a couple of draft notes. I know I'm very excited to listen to our next commentary.

Spencer  

Yeah, I really, you know, when we've talked about quarterbacks in the past, we've seen a couple charts that have had really good fortune. We've talked about Tom Brady's chart, and we've talked about Patrick Mahomes having a useful chart. That's something I think you pointed out that was really cool is that Bryce Young has probably the best chart out of all of these quarterbacks. I don't; I don't even think it's really debatable. He has really good fortune in his chart. So if we were advising NFL GMs, we probably like, yeah, he's a little short, but don't count this guy out, you know, like he's gonna have some good luck and some good fortune, and his makeup is going to be top-notch I guess is what I would say. 

Kipp

Oftentimes when I think about those places and people's charts, they're like good luck charms are really benefic placements. I think there are going to be times in this person's career where those are just going to explode. Yeah, you know, there'll be benefic configurations to them, and it's just going to be a really great day.

Spencer 

I have a feeling that Jaylen Carter is not going to fall very far at all. Like, I don't think, for the most part, from my understanding, that NFL GMs aren't looking at like Mercury and Pisces and like, well, maybe he's, you know, have some processing trouble or something like that. They're like, Oh, my God, this guy is a beast, and yeah, maybe he did some stupid things. But we can't pass on these generational defensive linemen.

Kipp

It also sounds like true knucklehead stuff, not like stuff that's gross.

Adam Elenbaas  

I think he showed up to his pro day sort of out of shape, too, if I remember correctly. And then the other thing was that someone, someone died in the accident that was associated with speeding or whatever. So it was like, you know, there's something about that that probably hasn't dropped on some boards, but with the NFL, it's like, it's not gonna drop on that many people's boards. Like, if Deshaun Watson gets a job, Jalen Carter's getting a job. So there you go.

Kipp

Too many examples not to be depressing.

Adam Elenbaas

You know, one quarterback, if you guys don't mind, I'll just throw up a chart really quick. Actually, Spencer, you're about to dive in? You go for it.

Spencer

Sure. Yeah. Let me share my screen here.

Spencer 

Okay, so here's my chart for the NFL Draft.

Kipp 

By the way, it's kind of hysterical to mix up Kansas City and Las Vegas. Similar.

Spencer

Right? I did a similar thing on one of the last shows where I had the time zone completely off, and it doesn't change the chart too much, especially when we're working with untimed charts for the athletes. We're looking in broader strokes anyway. So I have 7pm Central for Kansas City on the 27th, which is Thursday. And you see, you've got a 25-degree Libra rising with Venus in Gemini. So I mean, there are a couple of things we can discern from that. I'm also keeping in mind that we have the MC at 28 Cancer. 

So the things that I was pulling up about the draft, first of all, Mercury Retrograde, you all were mentioning, while I thought that there could be some delays in the pics being made like I think that these teams are going to take all of their clocks on the picks in particular. We could see a lot of trades and a lot of movement. Just some confusion, though, too, because Mercury is hanging out with Uranus or some shocking movement as well, potentially. 

With this chart, I was starting to look at the Aaron Rodgers situation because, you know, our friend Aaron Rodgers, his chart is on the outer ring. The charter of the beginning of the draft is in the inner ring. It's been a standoff. So as a Packers fan. I've been following along and Twitter and all the articles, and I think I think all the journalists are pretty tired of the whole situation at this point. 

As a fan, I'm kind of like, let's just get on with it. This is ridiculous. But here's how it stands at this point. I'll give you a little bit of a timeline. You know, Rogers goes into his darkness retreat because we haven't talked about this yet at all. So Rogers goes into his dark retreat and apparently has zero communication with the Green Bay Packers about what he intends to do for his future. It comes out later that the GM of the Green Bay Packers was like, hey, I need to know what you are thinking, what are your intentions, and Rogers completely ghosted him? That's like, that's what the GM has been telling reporters is that we tried to reach out to him. He didn't even respond to any of our texts since the end of the season, even though Rogers went on Pat McAfee and was like, I just want communication with the front office and things like that and all this and that. 

So the GM started shopping him, and Rogers got wind of this and put errantly wasn't 90% leaning towards retirement, but when he got wind that someone was trying to, you know, do him wrong he, he wanted to return out of spite and stick it to the Packers. He only wanted to play for the Jets and had a meeting with him. The Jets, the brain trust, their owner, their GM, their coach, and their offensive coordinator, who used to be Aaron Rodgers, their offensive coordinator, flew out to Malibu, had lunch with Rogers, and like tried to seal the deal. 

Well, apparently, none of them had a deal in place generally; before you rush your entire brain, trust out there that you'd have a deal in place with the other team. But they didn't have anything like that. So they've been having this standoff about their compensation for Rogers.

There are a number of reasons for this. But one reason is that, first of all, Brian Gutekunst of the Green Bay Packers feels that Aaron Rodgers is worth at least a first-round pick. Similar to what some of the quarterbacks in the past few years who have been traded are worth, the problem with that, from the Jet's perspective number one is that Aaron Rodgers went on a nationally syndicated podcast who had which, which had 500,000 viewers viewing live, 

Spencer  

Yeah. 100,000. So yeah, so so as we were mentioning, this is the new villain. I don't know, in Ted Lasso.

Adam Elenbaas

He's a new character in Ted Lasso, who tries to get the team to meditate, and he's a high maintenance rockstar. And he's very clearly, like, everyone's talking about the fact that it's like, oh, it's Aaron Rodgers.

Spencer

And he comes in, here's the thing. He signs with the Richmond team in Ted Lasso. Spoiler alert because the owner went to him like, and just chewed him out. So he basically joined Richmond just to spite everyone in the media and stuff like that. So it's always exactly the same. It's hilarious. So you know, from the Jet's perspective, they're like, We don't want to give up a lot of draft capital for a guy that might only be here for one year; we want some protections as far as, like, you giving us a draft pick back. And everybody's trying to play hardball with one another. And the big buzzword with all of this has been who has the leverage and all of this like, and it's been this huge back and forth. 

The biggest problem with Aaron Rodgers right now, honestly, and with the deal, in my opinion, is that Aaron Rodgers is owed a shit ton of money, okay, for the next few years, like $60 million next year alone, and the Jets are going to have to pick up a huge amount of that tab, and the Packers really want to get out of that money, and that contract. And if he's traded before June 1, all of his salary cap hit to the Packers, which is only $40 million, because of the way that they prorated his signing, bonus and etc. All amortized, I guess. Is that the word? Is that the correct word?

Adam Elenbaas

You would know, Spencer, you've been doing a lot of research. Ha Ha

Spencer 

So the entire salary cap hit will be off the books in 2023. Whereas if he's traded after June 1, it will be spread out over like three years or something.

Kipp

That actually means it won't amortize. Okay.

Spencer

Well, the main point of that is that they will take the entire blow this year if they get it done soon. And they will free up salary cap space for the future, which is what I assumed that they would want to do. And they want to get draft capital in this draft to be able to support Jordan Love in his journey. 

Now, back to the chart of the NFL Draft. What I find very interesting about this is that, you know, people like, when's the trade gonna go down? I think that I do think that trade will go down at the draft. And I think that Aaron Rodgers, Brian Gutekunst, and Joe Douglas are going to be the people that are going to be talked about the most at this draft. 

First of all, Aaron Rodgers's natal Venus is exactly conjunct with the ascendant of the NFL Draft start time. So there is a good reason that he is going to be in the spotlight for this particular time. We also have that his natal ascendant is going to be very close to the north node and the sun of the chart. You know, he's got all sorts of contacts with this particular time in the chart. So I'm going to look at Brian Gutekunst's chart.

Kipp  

Brian Gutekunst being the GM for the Packers, right?

Spencer 

This is Brian Gutekunst, July 19, 1973, Raleigh, North Carolina, GM of the Green Bay Packers; you can see that he has the Sun and Mercury, almost exactly on the midheaven of this chart of the beginning of the NFL Draft. So he has some very important prominent placement; he is going to be very visible at this particular draft. 

I would say that the other thing that we see in his contacts is that with his natal Jupiter and the Moon of the chart. So there's something that's coming to fruition potentially, with his particular chart around this time as well. Then if we look also at Joe Douglas, now, I want you to keep in mind when we're thinking about negotiating tactics these two GMs have almost the exact same natal sun. And Brian Gutekunst has a cancer sun with a Pisces moon. And Joe Douglas has a cancer sun, so he will also be very visible with the contact with the sun to the native midheaven at 28 degrees exactly. 

He has this the Moon, give or take a few degrees in Taurus. Exactly on the mercury retrograde. Okay. So I think number one, that tells me that of the two, Joe Douglas is probably slightly more stuck in his position. Like with having the Moon in Taurus versus Gutekunst having the Moon in Pisces, I mean, that's maybe making an assumption. But having a fixed moon may be like, Oh, I'm gonna be very entrenched in my position. 

I think; also, Douglas has a number of squares to his Leo stellium around this period of time. I just don't know if Joe Douglas is going to get exactly what he wants; I think that he's probably going to have to take a deal to get a deal done. But this is also coming from a slightly subjective Packers fan perspective. So take that part with a grain of salt, if you will. 

I do think that seeing Douglas have contact with the Mercury retrograde and having good accounts to have a little bit more contact with maybe less challenging planets in the chart might suggest that maybe Joe Douglas finally caved to the demands of the Packers, which I definitely think that if it happens anytime soon, it will happen on draft night. I think that if it doesn't happen on draft night, then the whole dynamic changes. 

The Packers could sit on Aaron Rodgers all the way until the first game of the season because they very cleverly crafted his signing bonus to not be able to activate until the first game of the season. So they will have to pay him. 

David Bakhtiari, you guys should listen to this. This is really interesting. David Bakhtiari, the offensive lineman left tackle for the Packers, joined a bus with the boys. Are you familiar with that podcast? Yep, Taylor Lawan and Will Compton and really gave us some really interesting insights just the NFL Players Association life inside the NFL, but he basically suggested that if this doesn't get done the draft, the Packers will have no problem sitting Rogers on the sideline and just being like Screw you like we'll just eat this money we're going with love sorry. 

Rodgers is just going to sit, so it sounds like he has a little bit of an inside track into their mindset where you're either gonna make us a deal that we want by the draft or, you know, screw you, we'll just sit him down we're ready to pay that money, and you don't have a quarterback whereas the Packers have a quarterback ready to go they could ostensibly afford to let you know Rogers just sit and play love it wouldn't be ideal. Rogers would make a horrible dramatic scene about it probably. 

Adam Elenbaas 

What would really suck is if they started to Love, and love sucked. They've benched Rogers, and then Rodgers refuses to play or something.

Spencer

It would be the height of NFL drama as a Packers fan. I just hope it gets done so we can just move forward with the new era of whatever that is. But I'm not surprised that it is this sticky. Just because anything involving Aaron Rodgers at this point becomes very complicated just due to his own, I don't know, dude; wait, maybe his karma on the chart or his placements?

Kipp  

I think that from everything you said, and from looking at these charts, I think you're 100% right that these three gentlemen are gonna have a lot of dialogue about them during primetime. I think from looking at all this, the part that's most interesting to me is that clearly, it's the benefic transits from that day just are all nailing Aaron Rodgers in nice spots. And it'll be really interesting to play out, let's say, Joe Douglas, that what this chart tells us is that he's super stubborn. And he doesn't want to do it. So he doesn't do it. Because there's a lot of stubbornness in this chart for him, somehow, that's going to be good for Aaron Rodgers. I have no idea what that means. So maybe, maybe Tampa Bay after the draft decides, you know, we had a high pick this year. And so we're going to trade for Rogers with our one first next year, and he gets to go to a team ready-made. Yes, Star QB. I'm just making that up. I've heard no such thing from anyone.

Spencer  

That would be amazing to see the Jets just totally blow it. It will be so it will be so hard. Right. The Jets have done everything in their power to convince Rodgers to come from hiring his offensive coordinator and signing his favorite receiver. I mean, there are so many things that they've done to bend over backward to have the privilege of paying him $60 million for, like, maybe a year. Honestly, if I were the Jets, and I'm sort of a Rogers fan. I've soured on him a little bit lately. But I think it's a really dumb move for the Jets. To be honest with you. I think it's very short-sighted, plus Aaron Rodgers.

Kipp  

Plus, the New York media. I mean, he's struggling; much attention in Green Bay.

Spencer

Oh my god, that will be worth the price of admission. They'll see how about

Adam Elenbaas  

I'm gonna just do a little interlude here and pop up Lamar Jackson's chart just real quick to add to the QB drama in the offseason. One thing that's really interesting to me is that when you look at the draft on the 27th, Neptune is coming to within minutes of the exact square of his Venus moon conjunction. There's Neptune hitting Moon and Venus. 

You guys remember at the beginning of the season, when we were looking at overviews for the season, I said that there was I was worried about him getting injured and him being in the midst of this big contract dispute and how that could affect the injury. Well, he recently said that he recently responded to people saying, well, you know, you could have come back and played sooner than you did. And he was like, Yeah, but I'm in this contract pickle. So what would you do? You know? And so it was kind of cool because I felt like, oh, well, there's, there's one of my predictions that was Go me. 

But then, you know, I think it's interesting that this is this Neptune dynamic is coming around right at the time of the draft. So could we see some kind of movement? You know, they just signed Odell Beckham Jr. There'd been some rumors that that was done to try to please, Lamar; I don't know if he has any desire or intention doesn't sound like he does. He requested a trade officially in early March. So I think this could be another draft night debacle somehow.

It doesn't perfect until shortly after the draft; I think it's like May 2 that it actually perfects to Venus. So either at the time of the draft or maybe shortly after the draft, a lot of things start started happening. 

Adam Elenbaas 

Yeah, I mean, maybe I personally, this is just my personal opinion. I don't mean to offer any judgment because I really don't know enough to have the judgment. But I can't help but think, dude, get an agent. What are you doing? I mean, I understand that they probably take some of the money, and maybe you don't trust them or something. But, like, you know, these owners are basically conspiring in part because you don't have an agent, in part because they don't want to rematch a contract of the size and guarantee level of Deshaun Watson's, which has been rumored that he wanted that, although I think he refuted it. But my point is just that, like, I don't know, it just feels like someone in a really high stakes court case, going in and saying, I'll just represent myself. 

Spencer  

Adam, think of it like this. If he had an agent, maybe he'd have to give them 10% Of what $200 million. But he'd still have $180 million leftover. You know what I mean?

Adam Elenbaas

To be fair, I believe because I saw a whole thing on this one time. I mean, it's generational money; they'll only get that paycheck like once, maybe once or maybe twice in their life that they'll get like a huge most NFL players have one, maybe two contracts. This is the biggest contract that he's likely to get. You get, I mean, depending on your accountant and how you invest and stuff, but I mean, just straight up 180mil at the tax bracket that he's at is going to be down to 90 because it's about 50%. Right. So it's like you win the lotto, and people say, Oh, I won $20 million. Well, you just won 10 after taxes, right? 

So for us, like $10 million would be like, Well, okay, too bad. I won $10 million, and not 20. I mean, who cares? But I think, for these players, between lifestyle and what they hope to do for families and generations of people and stuff like that, and a lot of the times I heard this on some podcasts, I listen to; the way that they're given business advice is like these people don't care about you absolutely get as much money as you can because nobody cares about you, but you, but that's also why, in my opinion, you should probably have an agent that cares about you too, because they know how to work these power dynamics in some ways, just better than I think players do. Unfortunately, and I've heard a lot of players on podcasts say that we'll also try to be like, I support, you know, Lamar doing what he wants to do. And you know, but yeah, it's a tricky situation; it feels like the very boundary blurring thing that you would expect from Neptune, Venus in the Moon as well.

Spencer

Yeah, Jupiter Square here, too. 

Kip  

I couldn't agree with you more. I feel like he's not going to invest the money himself, right? Hopefully, he's not going to just throw it into a Robin Hood account and start checking it; I feel like having representation to negotiate the contract, especially in his position, you know, if he were like a slotted rookie, who was only going to get so much, then I get it. But then, when he demanded a trade, the whole point just to name some NFL agent or whatever it is; that guy knows every single GM and immediately knows what they're going to trade for him, and he is bargaining with leverage that build up he's built up through an entire career of his work, just like Lamar Jackson is negotiating with, you know, five years of being an elite NFL quarterback; that you're utilizing your skills and abilities in the best possible way. He's just chosen not to hire a quarterback for his corporation. Yeah, just have, like, the running back take direct snaps.

Adam Elenbaas 

I just don't get it.

Spencer 

Think about this, Adam; look at his Mars Saturn opposition in his natal chart, you know, I mean, he has Saturn on the south node in Aries. Like it's important for him maybe to reduce his stubbornness around having to do everything himself, right, and maybe increase his ability to allow someone to help him or to advocate.

Spencer  

Here's the other thing, Lamar, like if you, if you don't trust an agent, then what's going to stop you from, like, trying to invest all your money yourself in the stock market because you don't trust a financial advisor?

Adam Elenbaas

I mean, exactly. The truth is, as far as I can tell, from just what I've learned about the world at this stage in life is that the more that people get into the world of money, like more money than I've ever known, so I'm not speaking from personal experience, but just observing and learning that it's like, it takes a lot of money to earn money when you get to a certain level of money. 

It's just like, like, you're going to invest, you're going to pay someone a portion of what you're getting back. You're gonna make a super deal as an actor in Hollywood. I've had clients, you know, they pay agents. 

I remember, like, the famous Minnesota icon, of course, who had a huge issue with this was Prince, you know, it's like, you know, people musicians should have the rights to their own music, and there shouldn't be someone coming in just because you're talented. There shouldn't be a host of vultures sitting on the side of the road being okay, good. How much of this guy's, you know, talent and resources can we take just because we're in a system that, you know, privileges all the people who have the power and the wealth already, and newcomers have to take chunks out of their flesh to play, you know, and like, that sucks. So I hear him, but also, like, I don't know if you're gonna change the system, man.

Kip

Similarly, kind of to buttress my argument about these folks using their skills and abilities and being the quarterback, they also have reputations that they're upholding, and GM's reputation is that I am driving a tough bargain. If Bill Duffy screws Lamar Jackson and then builds up, he's not going to get the next super quarterback who gets who's signing a new contract, right? He's leveraging multiple points of these other professionals' expertise, careers' reputations, and he just decided that he's smarter than everyone else, which I guess, you know, if I were Lamar Jackson, I think I was pretty awesome, too. So yeah, all right. Like, I can't really speak to that.

Spencer

Honestly, the real villain here is the Cleveland Browns. Because they went out and gave a rapist a fully guaranteed $250 million dollar contract and completely shifted and kind of screwed up all the normal dynamics in place for NFL contracts. So I don't blame Lamar for being like, Well, I'm a decent human being who is more talented than this guy; I should get at least with this guy got. So I don't blame him for that, to be honest with you. But I do think that the part about having to do it himself without help is hurting him at this point.

Adam Elenbaas

Yeah, it's funny that there's also this act of conspiracy among NFL owners. So nobody's interested in Lamar, although they hit he has the potential to have as a restricted free agent; I believe it is he has the right to get offers from other teams, which his team can match. Nobody's giving them any offers, apparently. And it's like, well, when you're asking for this kind of deal, you want to leave your team, you don't have an agent, and blah, blah, blah, it's like, yeah, the owners talk, and they're probably enough of them that are like we got Baltimore, we're not doing a thing, you know, which is unfortunate. And, but that's also partly what can happen, I think, when you don't have an agent, too.

Kip 

Hopefully, Lamar doesn't try to file the class action by himself.

Adam Elenbaas

Well, did you have anything else you wanted to add, Spencer, about the NFL before we move on to some other stuff?

Spencer

I don't think so. I think I just think the other interesting thing was just the Odell signing by Baltimore. I mean, they gave him a huge contract; they gave him a $15 million, one-year contract that could escalate to $18 million a year for an old receiver that's coming off an ACL injury. Odell Beckham is a Scorpio sun, and he got that contract with Mars in Cancer. So I don't know if that's going to work out the way that they hope it is. I think they'd be lucky if they got average production from Odell.

Adam Elenbaas  

Yeah, I was really surprised that he would go to a noncontender. Like, I just figured him for more of an I want to win a ring at this point, guy, than I want to get another big paycheck. But I don't know. I mean, you can't blame someone for wanting a big paycheck, either. I mean, sure. 

This is a chart I wanted to visit really quickly in my own fantasies of big things happening on draft night. This is Kevin O'Connell's chart, the head coach of the Vikings, and I have to note that Venus will be on his natal Mars during the draft. So I thought, well, that's interesting. Could we see the marriage of a coach with a quarterback like Venus Mars thing? 

They're rumored to be looking for a quarterback to sit behind Cousins for the last year of his contract or not renewing his contract. So the rumor is that this is their last year with him. Of course, if he plays just totally balls out, then I guess they've left themselves the room to potentially resign him, though. They'd be adding void years. I mean, because they put the kick this contract already into next year's numbers. So you know, he's already on the books for next year for $28 million. 

So the likelihood that he's playing next year, I think their plan, it's from all from everything that it sounds like they're either going to get a bridge quarterback next year, or they're going to try to find someone in the draft to sit behind him for a year and get ready. 

Well, that means they're trading up unless they're going with Hendon Hooker, whose chart I also have, but I mean, he's the only one that would probably fall to 23. He came off an ACL; he was Tennessee's quarterback and old 25. That's partially due to the COVID years, I believe, but anyway.

But here's my point is just that if there was any signature that gave me hope that they might actually pick up a quarterback and that we could move into a new era. I don't even care if it's a miserable era. I just can't stand any more of the vanilla Cousins era. That's just me. I like he's a good quarterback. He's not a transcendent quarterback. I'm ready to take some shots to be to see to have a Josh Allen or a Mahomes or someone of, like, you know, where they're in the MVP mix. Even someone like Justin Herbert, I mean, just a young talented quarterback, and I don't mind whiffing and being wrong. 

We went to the playoffs with Tavares Jackson, Teddy Bridgewater, with Christian Ponder, and we're not doing much better now with Kirk Cousins than just going into the playoffs and losing. We did the same thing with those guys on rookie-scale contracts, and we're able to build out a better roster. So I'm like, well, maybe we should take a risk and move up a little bit. I mean, it'd be astronomical to move up to number three, Where the Cardinals are going to be three first-round picks and probably a third or something like that. 

One thing that I find interesting is Anthony Richardson's chart has almost the same placement of the sun as Kevin O'Connell's. And then he has his Venus very closely conjoined to Kevin's Mars, so of all the quarterbacks where you could see a marriage between a coach and a quarterback, and a signature of the marriage of coach and quarterback, you know, in their charts. I thought Kevin O'Connell's synastry with Anthony Richardson was pretty good. That would probably mean that they trade up to three, I would guess.

Spencer 

I think that the only person that actually scares me as a Green Bay Packers fan is probably Anthony Richardson like that guy. I'm nervous about him. If he was to be in purple and yellow, I'd be looking over my shoulder, being like, Oh, shit, this guy could be really good if he hit.

Adam Elenbaas e's got this. Anthony Richardson, by the way, has. He has. Well, no, I'm sorry, he doesn't have Venus. He has more. He also has Mars in Gemini, almost at the same degree as Kevin O'Connell. So the Venus pairing to me was interesting because it was pairing maybe Mars and Gemini guys together. But he has the sun at one degree of Gemini, which means that in the summer of 2025 and the following summer of 2026, he's going to have Uranus on his sun. 

o me, for someone who is clearly more of a developmental prospect of like, maybe like super high ceiling, but right now, you know, needs to adapt to NFL speed and offensive and whatever. Couldn't you see, like, okay, he would sit behind a quarterback probably wherever he went for this year? Then you're going into 2024. He has a rookie season and 24. It's probably so-so, and then 25 and 26 hits, and he's got Uranus Sun. So I have a sneaky feeling that by 25 and six, Anthony Richardson, wherever he goes, is going to be a star because it just lines up with his development.

Adam Elenbaas  

One more thing, just really briefly, which I really hope that we don't pick Hendon Hooker.

Kip

I think the funny part about you bringing it up, Hendon Hooker is that where O'Connell's natal sun is squaring, transiting Saturn. So him getting an old quarterback...

Adam Elenbaas 

I was like, oh my god, why don't we just like, go back and, you know, pick up Jeff George, again, you know?

Spencer

You're talking about plausible landing spots for Cousins earlier in our talk off camera, with San Francisco potentially being a good fit for Cousins. You know, and then there has been a rumor in the blogosphere, maybe from, you know, I don't know, wishful thinking Vikings fans about maybe Trey Lance coming back to the Vikings. So my question for two Vikings fans is, what would you think about having Trey Lance versus picking one of these quarterbacks in the draft?

Kip

I think my real question is contract-wise, getting a mobile guy that has more years of a rookie deal because I feel like for a lot of those guys, the running you get a lot of running out of them early, and then the passing develops and when you have fewer the years for him to be on the field. When the passing develops, it kind of diminishes their overall value. If it were part of a Cousin trade, we got a first-round pick or a second-round pick, and then we also got Trey Lance because Trey Lance is just gonna throw a fit there or whatever, then that'd be great. Then we have two bites of the apple but just as a quarterback to give up any value just for Trey Lance. That's tough. And he missed a whole year not moving around with a broken leg.

Adam Elenbaas

Yeah, I think you know if they picked up Trey Lance in that trade plus even a second or third-round pick, and they were just going to see if Trey Lance worked out. Give him a year. Even if you know something like that, I'd be. I'd be into it just because you know he's. He is basically very comparable numbers at the combine to Anthony Richardson, just a little bit behind him. He has a heck of an arm, and so on and so forth. But he's played barely any football like ever. And so it's hard to say what he'll be, but if you're gonna gamble on a stock that was once very high and you think could rise again, then, like, go for it. I don't mind that. I don't mind the Vikings taking any risks. I'm just so sick of vanilla from the Vikings.

Spencer 

An Anthony Richardson move would be the same nightmare that I experienced when the Bears traded up to pick Justin Fields. I think I would feel the same way about that, even though it hasn't worked out that well. Justin Fields is still pretty good, and they're starting to build a team around him. I'd be pretty nervous with Fields and Richardson, and honestly, Detroit is Building a pretty darn good team over there in the NFC North; say what you will about Jared Goff, but he's functional, and they're putting a real team around him.

Adam Elenbaas  

They've been to the Super Bowl, and you know, the other thing that I could see them doing, which is sneaky talking about Bijon Robinson. I think they just signed David Montgomery. They could pick up. I mean, can you imagine if the Lions added Bijon Robinson?

Kip   

I really think they're a solid playoff team immediately.

Spencer

Well, I can't believe they have such a high draft pick in they had a good team last year.

Adam Elenbaas 

Yeah. I mean, the other thing they could do is, if so, what's his name? Jalen Carter falls. Can you imagine the Lions pairing Jalen Carter with Aiden Hutchinson? You know, very, very scary, and they look good. And I don't think Jared Goff is their problem at all. I think I think that their defense needs to get better, and they just, you know, they need a few more pieces, but I feel like they're ready to go.

Spencer  

They have Jameson Williams coming off an ACL year. Like, who is amazing for Alabama in his final year,

Adam Elenbaas   

We traded that pic to the Lions and ended up getting, you know, a cornerback that has not played because of injuries and a safety that broke his legs, so it was definitely not the trade I was happy with last year healthy.

Spencer 

Jameson Williamson and Amon-Ra St. Brown and whoever else the hell they've got now are kind of getting a little bit frightening to meet. 

Kip

To extend Lion's talk for one more second. One of the writers I really respect is named Steven Ruiz; he writes for the wringer. He can't believe that the Lions have not traded for Lamar because they have two first-round picks this year. And even if they made the earlier one, gave away their second first-round pick, and then gave next year's first-round pick. But imagine adding Lamar to that with those weapons with that offensive line. Yeah, the game but the rest of the team is cheap right now.

Adam Elenbaas  

Yeah, exactly.

Spencer  

I mean, with the Vikings trade for Lamar, what's going on there? For them or me? 

Adam Elenbaas  

I don't think so. Because they've also got, you know, they've it would be more of the same problem, which is their, their salary cap. They're hamstrung by their salary cap rate situation right now. And so they really just need to move off Cousins and keep moving off some older agent. It wouldn't be surprising to me at all if, on draft night, like a Viking straight, I could see on the draft night would be any of these three players. I think the probably the most likely around the draft or on the draft would be Dalvin Cook or Darius Smith because it doesn't look like they're gonna play on their contracts right now. I think they save money if they release them after June 1 at this point; I can't remember. But the third one, which would be sneaky because he's like 29, is Daniil Hunter. 

You know, I think they could probably get some really good capital for him, and if they're, if they're not thinking they're actually going to win a Super Bowl. Why keep an edge rusher that's about to fall off the age cliff? That's probably worth a first-round pick when you're not going to be using him to get to a Super Bowl. Like why not take the capital? That's what I think they should do.

Spencer  

Well, and one final thought in this whole chain is that don't sleep on Jordan Love; he looks pretty darn good at the end of this last year. And there's been a lot of nice buzz about him over the course of this summer, too. I don't think the Packers are going to be at the same level that they've been with Rogers and that rebuilding for sure. But I do think that we've got a pretty decent quarterback who I think will be at least as good as Kirk Cousins in the first year. I don't think that it's, and that's not like a super high bar. I think that he's going to surprise some people next year. He actually has higher MVP odds than Kirk Cousins right now, which is mind-blowing.

Kip 

If you were at the top 12 quarterback his first year starting, he would get so much cash.

Spencer 

Oh yeah, he needs a new contract. So yeah, I think that he would be in the top three prospects coming out this year. I think that I think they probably would only take maybe Young and Stroud over him potentially, and he'd be equal with Richardson, potentially because of how raw Richardson is, even with the traits so similar vibe that I'm getting with them.

Adam Elenbaas

Well, just one point on Hendon Hookers' chart, and then we can go on to some other stuff. You know, the one thing that I like for him that night is Jupiter squaring his sun and the Moon in his own home sign of Leo. I do think he gets drafted in on the first night. Like that's so that's my that's as far as I'm willing to bet I have no idea who will pick him. I think he goes in the first round. I think someone thinks that. You know, I think there's his draft stock has been rising. I don't. He's definitely not like it. I don't think he's a top-10 guy. I could see him going in the 20s to someone.

Kip

We took Christian Ponder overall.

Spencer 

Oh my god, I could see the Vikings taking them. To be honest, we didn't

Adam Elenbaas   

We didn't mention Will Levis, but that's because, you know, I can't talk about anyone who eats bananas with the peel on or puts mayonnaise in their coffee. 

Spencer  

Will Levis's chart doesn't look that great, either. He's like a Cancer sun, and he's got a bunch of exiled stuff, too, in his chart. So I'm not seeing him as a star on the level of these other players. Honestly, he's, like, bulked up in a way that made me kind of curious about his supplementation before the draft as well. But his

Kipp 

His natal Jupiter is in the last Deccan of Aries. So he will probably get drafted high. 

Spencer

 That is interesting.

Adam Elenbaas   

Yeah, he feels to me like we remember that prospect that Denver drafted. He was a super tall guy, Paxton. Paxton. Yeah, he reminds me of someone like that, where it's like, oh, Paxton Lynch. I

Spencer  

I don't know why that lives in my brain. 

Kipp  

That's the guy that I've been drafted. Who just like, like, a million bucks. The ball is like through brick walls. Yep.

Spencer  

Yep. Of course, we could be wrong, and will love us could be like the next Josh Allen or something. And we'll all look stupid.

Adam Elenbaas  

You will all look really dumb. Yeah.

Kipp

That's the thing with Allen.

Adam Elenbaas 

It's so funny that I heard a podcaster say this recently. And they were like, you know, it's everyone thinks they have this analysis. And it's such a crapshoot. And then he said something that I thought was actually kind of spiritually profound. He was like, you just don't know, you know, how destiny is going to take control of any of these players, depending on the situation they get in, the coach there with the teammates, the window of opportunity, and it's at a certain level, it's just destiny. And I was like, yeah, which is why they should hire us. 

Okay, so NBA updates, we have a little less time on the clock. We want to make this shorter than a major league baseball game. So what do you guys think about the NBA? I think, Kipp, you had some things you wanted to go through.

Kipp 

Yeah, if we have a second to pull up, let me get my screen so I can say I just so, as Timberwolves fans, I know we make this pretty Minnesota-heavy. We had a really fascinating thing happen. We, as you know, will happen with the Timberwolves. Yeah, well, we're looking good. So that means that we obviously have to have something bad happen. 

So on this night of this game, again, of the games on the inside, we had one player, Rudy Gobert, who has kind of been the story of the Timbrel season, we traded all this stuff to get this big multiple-time Defensive Player of the Year guy, and really unpredictably he ended up throwing a punch at a teammate and when unpredictable things happen the guy that we look for here is Uranus, and so transiting Uranus is going to be on the inside of this chart. 

We notice we don't know where Rudy's natal Moon is, but it is in Taurus. I think we could be pretty confident that's not we're not moving to new degrees. That is where Uranus is. So we also see Uranus making contact with Rudy's natal Saturn. So the things that make Rudy stable Saturn, Saturn in Saturn's own sign, the Moon, the Moon when the Moon is complete, as like, move around, wants to go slow. The great disrupter right here disrupting Rudy throws a punch at probably his most beloved teammate. I think Kyle Anderson, kind of everyone's favorite slo-mo, is also kind of funny that the Moon in Taurus and Saturn in Saturn's home sign, a guy named slo-mo, gets a punch thrown at them. 

Then we have Jaden McDaniels, who, if you're a Minnesota fan, you know everyone knows, and Edwards and Edwards is everyone's favorite, but everyone loves Jaden McDaniels finally got a guy late in the first round. He looks like a stud so frustrated during the game that he punches a curtain, and unbeknownst to McDaniels, behind that curtain, just like one inch further in, is a brick wall, and McDaniels breaks his hand during the most important game of the year to allow us to go and play a play in the game. The loser goes home. And so we're looking at unexpected events. And oh, here's our friend, Uranus, again. Oh, and it's Jason's natal Uranus, exactly square transit Uranus. So unexpected things for the Timberwolves, but if you are a Timberwolves fan and supporter, then what you will know is that we cannot have nice things. It's nice things look like they're appearing,

Adam Elenbaas  

It's funny because the NCAA Men's hockey championship happened just, I think, it was like the same day. It was the same weekend, and they were up to two- nothing and ended up losing in overtime to Quinnipiac. And then Monday night, the Wolves after this whole debacle, even, despite losing Jaden McDaniels, who has the best, I think it's like the best numbers on defending LeBron one on one in the NBA. 

He's like an all-star, you know, like all-star defender Jaden McDaniels, and so they don't go with him into the game, they're still winning by like seven or eight points with five minutes left to go, and then they let them back in. Minnesota sports are cursed; that's my conclusion. There's a curse. It's like the Cubs or whatever, and the more aware you become of the curse, I think the more exciting it is every year. Maybe this is the year that it gets broken, so I'm that's what I'm buying into right now.

Spencer 

You know, as a Milwaukee Bucks fan, maintain faith because the Bucks were pretty darn bad for decades and then broke through, so it can happen, and I think that that's the beauty of being a fan and the joy of having that hope renewed every year.

Adam Elenbaas 

The Rudi go bear* trade may go down next to Herschel Walker as the worst trade in NFL or in Minnesota sports history. That was a terrible, terrible trade.

Kipp  

You know, that's really what I have. He also has transiting Saturn, making a square to Jason's natal Saturn. Jaden hire an astrologer. Like seriously, like your guy or gal advising your twin, like don't do anything, too herky-jerky today, try to keep it under wraps, we need to get through this one.

Adam Elenbaas  

Well, I know that the finals are going to be coming up the playoffs are starting. That means we have to put pressure on Spencer to use this technique; maybe we'll see more of it later. Do you have anything you want to start with now?

Spencer

It's challenging to do this technique so early on in the process. Although it worked with the NFL, to full disclosure, I haven't had as much time to prep for the NBA Playoffs as I did with the next episode. What I will say, though, I'll just throw this little nugget out there just in a cursory examination of the top six seeds in each conference, like are the top three seeds in each conference, the top six teams.

There are some really interesting placements for the Sacramento Kings Coach Mike Brown. I'm just going to throw that out there and just see if it flies; he has some pretty interesting placements around the finals. So my initial thought is that maybe the Kings surprised us on some level. But I will look at that more in-depth as we get further in the process for sure. 

Adam Elenbaas

Fair enough on a few random things that I'm going to throw up here. One is that I think it's we talked about this maybe a little bit last time, but to mention Carlos Correa's chart, he is the big Twin star that they re-signed after a kind of a big signing debacle that was big news in Major League Baseball. I think it's interesting that you can see coming up he's got a Mars return. He's already apparently dealing with some kind of nagging issue, a back problem; I think it was, I don't remember. 

I just thought to myself, gosh, the month of May is going to be interesting. Here he's going into a Saturn Return. He's got a Mars return with the Fallen Mars in Cancer, and he's got Pluto squaring his Moon. Now, this is a rectified chart. So the Moon could be, you know, we don't know exactly where the Moon is. But I just thought, you know, at least the Saturn Return and the Mars Return. 

The Twins would be the ones to be like, well, we don't care what all of these major market teams' doctors said. We don't have major players because we're a small market. So we'll take him, you know, but the twins have this history of picking up players that end up having these terrible injuries that look like they're like, oh, this was a player who was really good. It's like yeah, but apparently, you know, he has shoulder problems, a pitcher or something? Well, it's always like that with the Twins. So I'm just wondering what the month of May is. I just want to put that out there; let's come back to Carlos Correa later this spring and just see how he's doing because I kind of get the feeling that he could be dealing with some injury issues during his Saturn Return year.

Spencer

Is that Saturn in a natal chart, and the inside with seven degrees retrograde in Pisces? That's right because that's the exact degree to Saturn Retrogrades on June 17. 

Adam Elenbaas

Exactly. Yeah, he's got that that's coming up for sure. He's got Uranus just crossed the south node of the Moon. And that was happening right around the time the season got started. And then right away, he's got some nagging injury issues. So anyway, that was one thing I wanted to bring up. The next one I want to bring up, and then we'll close with something that we've all done a little bit of research on. 

Jake Paul and Tommy Fury, now, for a lot of people, you probably don't care about This. To me, I thought it was really just an interesting sports story. Who Jake Paul was like, I think it was a former Mickey Mouse Club star or like a Disney show star Nickelodeon or something like that. And he ended up becoming like this sort of bad boy, a super obnoxious guy who, like his brother Logan Paul started fighting people. Like, Logan Paul actually had like just kind of a fun match with Floyd Mayweather lately; they like did this, you know, thing, and anyway, they make a ton of money doing this stuff, by the way, too.

Spencer

Doesn't Jake Paul also like open Pokemon cards like on a live stream?

Adam Elenbaas 

Yeah

Spencer 

I don't know how I've stumbled upon this. But I think I've witnessed him opening like high stakes. Pokemon packs like on live stream

Kipp

Fights Floyd Mayweather?

Adam Elenbaas

Yeah, no, that's his older brother. Oh, Logan, Paul. I don't know. Maybe Logan Paul does it too. I don't know. They're their brothers. So they both do interesting things. But anyway, he had this. He started fighting people like sort of YouTube self-proclaimed boxers. And then he started fighting, you know, sort of washed-up previous MMA stars who really weren't boxers, right? So to make himself look good, but you're like, like Ben Askren we were talking about, really, he's a really good wrestler. He'd kick his butt if they were wrestling, but there's, he's not a boxer, right? So he's beating these guys and making himself look like on beating all the MMA guys. 

Well, fight a real boxer, right? So the idea was that he was going to fight Tommy Fury. Now Tyson Fury is the heavyweight champion, and it's his younger brother who's an actual professional boxer, so they had a fight. I thought it was really interesting to look at the charts of both individuals when they fought Tommy Fury. Jake Paul, like the head held his own, didn't get knocked out, and it was just it was a decision. But anyway, here's Jake Paul's chart, and what I thought was really interesting is that, and I just I'll just kind of point out I won't actually put the wheel in, but on the night of the fight, the main transit that was close by for Jake Paul when he lost was Pluto on his fallen Jupiter. Right, so kind of like the meeting this downfall, you know, whereas on the other hand, let me put up Tommy Fury chart.

Spencer

Does Jake Paul also represent himself in contract negotiations because he has a Mars Saturn opposition, Lamar Jackson? That's funny.

Adam Elenbaas 

Yeah,

Kipp

Nobody opens the Pokemon cards themselves.

Adam Elenbaas 

But you know what's interesting is that he is right now in the middle of some kind of lawsuit over something he was doing in cryptocurrency. Anyway, Tommy Fury is, in the meantime, a 16-degree Taurus Sun who had Uranus on the sun when he won. So just like such a simple tight example of how to pick a winner and loser in, you know, like head to head match. Who's got the crappy, you know, who's got the crappy transit? 

Who's got the one that's probably a little bit better for, like winning or losing in a situation like Pluto on a fallen Jupiter versus Uranus on the sun in Taurus? So I thought that it was remarkable how just what a showing of astrology that was. So I wanted to share that the last thing we want to close with today, we're going a little bit long, is Angel Reese, nicknamed the Bayou Barbie. Is that right? And Caitlin, what was her last name?

Spencer  

Clark

Adam Elenbaas 

from Iowa, basically these two stars of the Women's Basketball Championship, college level. And they squared off, and there was quite a scandal that emerged. I don't really think it was a big deal myself. But, you know, Angel Reese when she used one of Caitlin Clark's taunting things which she did, which was like, you can't see me. She did that. But she also, just to be fair, did it for an extraordinarily long time and, like, followed her around the court like taunting her. To me, like, I don't know, I can only imagine in the heat of the moment that you're just you're so amped you've won you've, and you've beat someone who's like kind of like one of the next Michael Jordan's of the women's NBA so to speak or whatever the equivalent is I don't know. Diana Taurasi, is that the like Michael Jordan, women's basketball Sue Bird?

Spencer 

I don't know. Like she transcends like she brought so much attention, I think that it should be mentioned too how transcendent of an athlete Caitlin Clark was in this tournament to bring this type of attention to that tournament and whatnot. It was pretty incredible.

Adam Elenbaas  

Yeah, yeah. I mean, so yeah. And the point that I thought was really interesting was that so LSU beats Iowa; Caitlin Clark has this amazing tournament, but a lot of it got overshadowed by what I thought was a really stupid debate about if she took the taunting too far. Yes, she did. But it's not illegal to taunt. It's not. I mean, who cares? You know, it's like, just let it let him. I think athletes should just be athletes, and part of what makes sports so memorable is the theater of it, you know, and so I wasn't personally bothered by it. I mean, I did think it went on a little bit, maybe a little too long. You know, maybe a little poor sportsmanship, but I also don't mind it; they're in the heat of the battle.

I thought it was interesting that this became such a big deal that it really stole the spotlight from other stories that were probably more important, like LSU winning, whether or not this woman should have made this gesture or not and everything, and I don't know; I thought it was kind of, you know, it's just typical the way that we run with stories in ways that we know, distracts from the real issues but the charts of Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark are interesting. Do you want to pull them up? Spencer? 

Spencer 

I can do that. So we will open up.

Adam Elenbaas

What did you guys think? By the way, did you think it was acceptable too much? What did you feel?

Kipp  

I feel like attention is attention. And all attention is good. This is more attention for women's basketball. It was a great game. It was a really good tournament. Caitlin Clark had a great tournament. I think it was a plus for everybody.

Adam Elenbaas 

What is that phrase? All press is good press for certain things. Yeah, that's about it. Yeah, that's a good point. I just thought it was a heck of a fun tournament. I don't usually watch women's sports, to be completely honest. And so the fact that this somehow the moment really captured my attention, and I was watching the game, that was big for me, that was significant. So I think you're right, like, it doesn't really matter. The fact is that it was. I think it generated a lot more viewership than usual. 

Kipp  

Clark, who talks a ton of smack herself, was having such a great German that there were more eyeballs on it. I just, I don't see any drawbacks. I thought it was all great.

Adam Elenbaas 

And she herself was like defending her. She's like; she's, there's no problem, she should do what she wants to do.

Spencer

I think there was kind of a double standard, as far as, like, I hate to bring this into it. But people were getting on a black player versus a white player doing it, and I think it was a little bit hypocritical for the media that was like, oh, you can't do this or something like that. I think that they brought attention to the game and forwarded women's college basketball to the point that people are like, wow, this is really exciting basketball, and it really was a big deal. And I'm actually really excited about Caitlyn Clark. She seems like a transcendent athlete, like a mixture of, you know, Steph Curry and, you know, LeBron James of that particular, you know, sport.

Adam Elenbaas 

no offense, because we don't know our women's basketball stars to make female comps well enough, probably because there probably are better players to compare them to in the Women's League.

Spencer 

She can shoot the lights.

Adam Elenbaas

Yeah, that's totally. I think for me like I didn't, I didn't think of the race thing. So much of that's a good point. But I think for me, I can understand why people I think people give it way too much attention; I can understand why people would be irritated by someone following someone around for so long taunting them. But at the same time, I do think that, like, how is it that big of a deal people do this kind of stuff in sports all the time like it? So I think on that level, maybe it was unfair, and it could have been a racial thing, too. I did think it was poor sportsmanship on a certain level, but like, I don't know, in the heat of the moment, I have a pretty high tolerance for anything in sports like that. Totally. 

Spencer

 I sort of wish you could stand over someone after you dunk on them now in the NBA.

Adam Elenbaas

Or when people wouldn't when they would tackle people and they would just stand over.

Adam Elenbaas

You know, what I like, I really honestly hope for is that, like, my, my girls have been asking to go see the links play. So because they go into the Timberwolves, and then I told them there was a women's basketball team, and they said they would want to go see them. I would really like to see some of these rivalries that you see, you know, developing in, you know, in college and seeing them play through like, Wouldn't it be cool to see Angel Reece and Caitlin Clark going out over the next ten years and the WNBA here's something that I think is unfair, that women's college athletes, at least for the WNBA draft have to finish their senior year or whatever it is. They can't be like the men, where they can do one year and then go to the draft. Yeah, that's absurd. That's such a double standard to use and speak of unfairness.

Spencer 

Another thing I was reading about the WNBA is that even top-five draft picks aren't even really guaranteed a roster spot basically because there are so few teams in the league that roster spots are such a premium that they cut like a number four overall pick like right after drafting them recently and one of the teams. So it's really competitive to be able to make that league, and those women are definitely the best of the best in the world. They're so interesting to follow the story of that league as well.

Adam Elenbaas 

Do you want to bring up Angel Reese's chart?

Spencer 

Yeah

Adam Elenbaas 

Is there for the transits going on in her chart that night during the championship? I, you know, they're there. There's some really compelling stuff, so I'm a nice example of astrology.

Spencer  

So we got the Women's Championship game in Dallas, Texas 2:30pm Central on April 3, 2023, on the inner ring. And then Angel Reese's on the outer ring, whose birthday is May 6, 2002, Randallstown with two L's. We have the sun conjoining Uranus of the chart that Angel Reese's Sun conjoining Uranus of the chart of the game. She has a moon Saturn potentially conjunction going on or at least co-presidents.

Adam Elenbaas

The standout one is that she's got almost the same exact chart date as Tommy Fury, and she's got Uranus over her sun when she wins. Also, not only does she win and have a breakout moment in her career as an athlete, but she, acts Uranian she breaks the rules that people expect. Well, that's not how you should act. That's the part of it that I don't mind. It's like, who cares how people think you should act? It's sports, and it's fun, and it's theater. I like that part of it. 

I said I could agree on a certain level that it was like, okay, yeah, you went a little far. But you know, you have your sun, I get that. Like I thought, I think it's such a great example of a transit expressing, like, a super iconic moment in, obviously, sports history. It'll go down as one, but also, like, probably in her life that means this, her she mentioned this on Twitter. The night after the game, she woke up the day after the game, and she had, like, a million more followers or something crazy like that, you know, it was like she, you know, she just made a name for herself and good for her. You know, I thought that was a great Uranian expression of Uranus in the sign.

Spencer

You know, she's got both of those malefics in Gemini, the opposing Pluto too, you know, sort of as a Gemini feels like a taunting sign. If you have the malefics in Gemini, it's like, oh, you're teasing someone, and you're gonna get in trouble for that, you know,

Kipp 

Stellium in Gemini, get her to shut up Mars.

Adam Elenbaas 

I have Mars in Gemini, Natalie, and I've been playing a whole bunch of chess. Like ever since Mars went into Gemini in August, I started getting into chess, and I've played since October when I really got into it. I've played like 500 matches online. And my reading has gone up and so forth. I started taking some chess lessons to have been really like a fun hobby to do. I love the smack talk.

Adam Elenbaas 

You know, like, is it you're chatting with people as you're playing them and like a man or some shit out there believe I didn't think I was like, cuz I you know, I've spent a long time playing sports. And I was a competitive swimmer. I played football but wasn't we weren't at the age yet where we were smack talking, you know, like eighth grade, ninth grade, whatever. So when I was exposed to this, I was like, Oh, I'm a talker. This is fun. I can do this; this is fun. So I've been kind of experiencing that Gemini side of myself too.

Spencer

Nice. Well, you can see Caitlin Clark as potentially the Moon very close to that Uranus position as well on this day. It's not a time chart, but you know, the Moon is within a certain range of degrees. And, you know, she was experiencing kind of that Jupiter Mars experience also totally. And, you know, she had an experience where she was getting some of her shine sort of got a little bit faded, potentially, by Mars at that point. 

I'm curious; I'm gonna pull this up real quick. If you get a second, I want to see the two of their charts together because they seem like they have some karma with one another potentially. So we've got, you know, both of them have that Pluto natively in Sagittarius. So you can see here that all of that Gemini stellium with both malefics Venus and Mercury will be opposing Caitlin Clark's natal Pluto. So there's, there's really some interesting connections with that as well.

Adam Elenbaas

You know, I just thought to myself, I bet even though you know, Angel has that like, just like she's just such a badass, but like, she isn't a moon in Pisces, and I bet you the public response that she received was hurtful more than she would tell publicly with a moon in Pisces. I find it Moon in Pisces people like the Gemini is going to be really adaptable and fun and playful. But I pictured there was a certain level at which that hurt her feelings. So people associated with her.

Spencer

Sure, because she just won the national championship. It should be a crowning moment of glory and happiness and like for people to drag her publicly. Absolutely. I bet that was a painful experience. 

Adam Elenbaas

She did have some people going to bat for her. That was pretty cool. Shaquille O'Neal posted on Twitter that a bunch of people were really going to bat for her, and so did Caitlin Clark. So one thing that's interesting about but I think it's interesting, is that they do have a synastry between Venus in Mercury. Like they have a trine between their Venus and Mercury placements, and so they were, you know, I think they probably did some chattering back and forth, and they probably also, I'm guessing they would be friends. I bet sure they'd be good teammates if they were played together.

Kipp

I'm sure they probably have. I mean, these are two elites. They've probably been on national teams together.

Adam Elenbaas 

Well, that's true; a lot of these athletes at this level have been playing in different various national leagues and stuff like that since they were probably pretty little.

Kipp

I hate to drop off, guys. I got a sick kid. I gotta run enough to pick them up.

Adam Elenbaas

No, that's fine. We are at the end, anyway. So this is a good ending point. We will let you go, Kipp, and I will do a little sign-off for us. If you want to find Kipp on Twitter. It is @eudaimoniaastrology, and Spencer, remind me if I want to put your handle up.

Spencer

Yeah, so on Instagram and Twitter. I'm at @spencermichaud, and then on YouTube, I have @SpencerMichaudAstrology on my YouTube channel where I do a live stream once a week where we go over the new and the full moons and monthly astrology and do some special q&a every once in a while too.

Adam Elenbaas

IG is @SpencerMichaud, is that right?

Spencer

Without the H in the middle Sometimes, you always think I have an H in the middle of my name for some reason.

Adam Elenbaas

I do okay. Let me just spell it right; then we'll say, Here we go. So there we go. And then YouTube. You can search Spencer Michaud as well.

Spencer

Yeah, SpencerMichaudAstrology is my astrology channel.

Adam Elenbaas 

Okay, cool. So thank you for joining us. Thanks to Kipp, who had to run. This was really enjoyable. We will sign off now and come back to you sometime after the draft reflecting on it and before the NBA Finals. Does that sound like a good idea?

Spencer  

Yeah, that'd be awesome. We'll probably have a lot of trades and pics and maybe more predictions for the NBA at that time. So that sounds like a lot of fun.

Adam Elenbaas

Yeah, it will be a little into the baseball season; the Stanley Cup will be around the corner. I'd love to see if any of us are that into hockey. Could look at like the eight remaining teams and try your self node method yourself. That'd be pretty sweet.

Spencer 

Totally. I'm gonna do it.

Adam Elenbaas

Alright, cool. Well, thank you, everybody, for listening. We really appreciate we hope you guys are having a good time and that you were able to enjoy some of these astrological sports insights, and we will see you again next time. Take it easy, everyone. Take care. Bye.