Demonstrating Astrology for Skeptics — Live Readings and Q&A!

Hey everyone. This is Adam Elenbaas from Nightlight Astrology [https://nightlightastrology.com/].

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I You all right, welcome in, everyone. Sorry. I'm just getting a little water and getting myself set up here. I'm very glad to be here today. Where are you all coming from? Tell me where in the world you hail from. I love this. What would my WWE entrance music, benefic it's gotta be Vanilla Ice. Okay, let's see where you all coming from. Hello. From San Diego to looks like Mariah. Not sure if I'm saying that right. Good morning from Queens. Hey. Is this being recorded? Of course, it's being recorded. Come on now. It's, it's a live stream on YouTube. They archive them. For sure. Lake Tao, Nashville to from Lauren, hey. Lauren Maria from Columbia, Tampa, Sao Paulo, Santa, Barbara, Minnesota, excellent. Love My Minnesota in the house. Richmond, Virginia, Albuquerque, Chico, Colorado, can't wait to actually meet you in June. You're coming on the retreat. That's awesome. Hey, it's our last day of the early bird. Rate for the retreat. I'll be pumping that up in a minute. 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Good to see you, Cassandra, San Diego, all right, cool. Well, welcome and everyone. I'm really glad to be here today. The intention of today's talk is to give a friendly presentation for skeptics on what astrology is and how it works. I'm going to get to that quickly. I don't want to waste time, because the last thing that I want is for people who are skeptical about astrology to come here and be made to wait listening through a bunch of dribble. So I don't want to waste anybody's time. And hopefully, you know, my hope is that for people who are skeptical of what astrology is, even if you aren't, even though they aren't here listening live, that for our audience, there will be a point of reference. Hey, there was this particular live stream that the astrologer that I follow did, and it's really accessible for people who are skeptics, people who have, like, really serious doubts about astrology, who think it's total crap, or curious, or who want to understand a little bit more about it, because you know your your girlfriend or your wife is into astrology. You know a lot of men out there are in that category. And please, you know, help it make sense for me. So that's really, yeah, that's, that's really what the intention is behind today's, today's get together. So I'm going to break this into parts. First, I'm just going to get right into our presentation, and I've got a little talk prepared, followed by some live demonstrations that are meant to address what astrology is. Again, for people who are skeptical, and it's my hope that not just talking about what astrology is, but actually seeing some live demonstrations of astrology, I'm going to bring some people into the studio here with me and offer some live reading so you can actually see it done. And I'm going to try to give you some bite size experiences or samples of astrology that also illustrate what astrology is and how it works in a way that I don't think, honestly, I really don't think testing, any kind of empirical testing will ever do justice to and I'm also going to tell you why. As I show you demonstrations, I'm going to show you why this kind of demonstration works and why empirical testing does not. And I'll do my best to explain you know why that's the case. After we have done that, I will break and do my promotions for the day. This will be an opportunity for me to tell you about the upcoming year one program and the retreat. So I'll do a little promotion of that in the middle today, and then after that, I'll open up for Q and A. Now the Q and A could be for anyone in the office. Audience, or who's brought a friend who's skeptical, that will be a totally appropriate time to ask more questions if you have them. But also I will open the Q A to the broader astrological audience, and just any questions you have for me as a content creator, as an astrologer, about astrology, anything whatsoever will be open and fair game. So, all right, I'm also to start with, I want to tell you how you can join me for a reading today, because I'm going to need some guests, and I want to get, I want to give a few instructions for who my ideal guest is for a demonstration. So please, if you don't check these boxes, do not submit your info. And I'm going to tell you how to submit your info in a second first is it would be ideal for me to have someone who's in their mid 30s to 50 years old. The reason for that is that we're going to be doing some work with prediction going backward in time, because going forward in time will be part of what we do, but it's only so useful when you're trying to demonstrate astrology for skeptics. So we're going to go backward in time with some predictive work. And so I need people who've lived enough life to have some stories. And the ideal range for a demonstration like this is going to be mid 30s to about 50 years old. Anything older than that's fine too, obviously. Now the second instruction is, if you're going to submit and come in the studio, submit your birth data and come in the studio with me, I need you to have a good memory. The reason for this is that, if we go backward in time, I need someone who has a pretty vivid recollection of, you know, years in your life, if I say, hey, what was happening in 2014 around this topic, I need you to be able to have pretty good recall of the major themes, events, topics, timelines of your life. So if you're someone who has a poor memory, a demonstration like this is not going to be maybe ideal for you. So you know, we want to give the best demonstrations of astrology we can for skeptics. So please be on my team. In that respect, if you have a terrible memory, don't come on, because we're going to do some memory work. The other thing is, ideally, I would like people who, right now, have a specific topic that is a question for you. Obviously, the big ones are things like career and money or love and relationships, or, you know, whatever that try to submit. When you submit, try to submit with a specific subject that you would like to talk about. The specificity of the context is very important for good astrology. So you have a good memory, you've lived a little bit of life already, and you have a specific topic that you'd like to talk about. Those are the prerequisites for the reading. And here's how you can do that. If you want to join me in the studio, you're going to send an email to this email address and putting it into the comment section right now. It is grabbed at Nightlight astrology.com this is the email address that people typically send us their personal astrological stories for our grabbed episodes. So send me an email and make sure you include the time, the date, the location of birth, the topic you'd like to speak about,

and your age. I could probably do the math in my head, but that'll just help me just keep it simple. So anytime as I'm going on and you want to join the show today to be one of our demo our client demo charts, just send an email to grabbed at Nightlight astrology.com with a time, date, location of birth, the topic that you'd like to speak about, and your age. And yes, you need to be on the mic and camera. You need to have a working mic and camera, be in an environment that's not crazy, right, that that's quiet, ideally. And you have to be willing. This is like a lot. We're kind of mimicking like a day in client practice. So you need to be able to come on the mic and camera, and also remember, you're in front of a live audience, so don't come on if you're not open to talking about yourself, you know, rather, rather openly. Obviously, we don't have to reveal all the bloody details of life, but you need to be able to speak openly and freely about your life in front of an audience here. So keep that in mind. This is recorded and kept on YouTube as well. So if you don't, if you don't feel comfortable, don't submit your info. All right, so,

so that's the grabbed at Nightlight astrology.com, time, date, location of birth. Topic you'd like to speak about your age. Make sure you have a mic, camera, quiet environment. You feel comfortable. Now, what I'm going to do is a little bit later. After I get through the talk, I will switch over to the email box. I'll take just like, a two minute break, and I will be emailing links to some of you to join me in the live studio. You'll be in, like, a little green room. You'll see me here, and then I will pull some of you in for some live demos. They're going to be pretty brief, so don't expect, like a full on reading. It's kind of like a mini reading. All right, so that is what we're doing. And then, like I said, I'll do a little promo of what's going on at Nightlight, then we'll have a Q and A All right. Well, I'm very excited to get into this now. I put a lot of thought into what I what I felt would be like. What is the best? You know, very basic, accessible introduction to astrology for skeptics. Now, the reason that I am giving this talk in general comes from the fact that on our September 7 lunar eclipse in a Jupiter ruled sign while Mars was squaring Jupiter our spiritual tradition, you might say, our philosophical tradition, came under attack in really two ways. I say attack. I think maybe, maybe that's not scrutiny. You know, the New York Times ran the now very familiar, recurring article about the Zodiac, no longer being accurate. I did a reaction video to that New York Times article on Sunday, maybe a week or two ago, so if you wanted to see me respond and explain exactly why that article, which seems to come out every couple of years, saying the Zodiac is wrong, is not accurate, and to explain the history of the zodiac and how it works and how it's measured, and the debate between the tropical and sidereal systems that's existed for 1000s of years. That was the purpose of that video. So that was one of two attacks that were sort of leveled at astrology around an eclipse that happened in a Jupiter ruled sign while Mars was squaring. Jupiter, for those of you who know the language of astrology, for belief systems or institutions of faith or religion or spirituality or education, to come under some form of scrutiny or attack under such an eclipse while Mars was squaring the ruler of the eclipse. Jupiter is very much in line with the symbolism of that Eclipse. The second attack that was aimed at astrology came from a social scientist. His name's won't say like Adam gates or something like that. Anyway, he posted something that got a lot of attention, saying that astrologers had failed yet another test, and these astrologers, 150 people who had taken this test, the astrologers who took the tests were of different levels, novice to advance, and they had helped design the test, and they still failed. So I also responded to that, and I talked at length about why those kinds of tests don't work, and why those kinds of tests don't work is closely connected to misconceptions about what astrology is and how it works in the first place. So if any of that is interesting to you, go back to the Sunday episode that I did. I think it was last Sunday or no, it was either last Sunday or the Sunday before. And it's, it's a Sunday episode where I said astrology reacts to the New York Times and a social scientist who says astrology is BS. So you can hear my whole response to that there. But coming out of that, I was reflecting on the fact that, you know, not, not everyone is so antagonistic toward astrology. Some people are just like open minded, curious, generally skeptical, like, I can't tell you, I've worked with so many women over the years, most of the clientele of astrologers are women. It's an industry fact that like 80 to 90% of the audience that consumes astrology tends to be female, and so on. I've seen a lot of women over the course of my career as clients whose husbands are either, you know, just that's total BS, or they're like, Yeah, I just, I don't really believe in any of that stuff. And in my experience, most of the reason that these men, but really anyone is skeptical of astrology is because they have actually very legitimate concerns that the way astrology is being framed or talked about is not true, is not real, and that way of talking about astrology is typically in the form of empiricism. It's like people trying to prove to you that astrology is an actual science, that astrology is a is a causal, mechanistic science, like, like physics or something like that. And a lot of people are, are not like, antagonistic toward astrology. They're just like, Yeah, I don't think that thing's a real science. That's really That's super. Legitimate. That's actually a very legitimate concern and critique and skepticism anyone that's trying to present astrology as though it's an objective, mechanistic, causal, empirical science, in my opinion, doesn't have a doesn't have an appropriate understanding of what astrology is, or its history as a discipline and as a philosophy. So part of what I'm hoping to do today is to just address what I think astrology actually is, that probably, for most people, is easier to swallow, like, easier to take in and go, okay, like, I can get on if that's what it is, if that's what it's being presented as, I can be at least open minded about why people might find it interesting, or why people might find it, you know, even compelling. After I do that, it's my hope that showing some actual client demonstrations will take us to another level, where you can actually see some of the magic of astrology and just how profound it is, all right, so,

so let's go ahead and get into it. I want to start by just discussing what astrology is from from the standpoint of several 1000 years worth of the history of horoscopic astrology, we have to frame it within a broader planetary context. Horoscopic astrology the 12 signs of the zodiac, 12 houses, planetary aspects, the language of planetary dignities, all of the things that people, when they when they see or hear us talking about, they go, oh, like that's astrology. In the West, we know it as you know you're in Aries, or you're you know. So this, what we call horoscopic astrology, is actually just one of many, many different forms of astrology, Omen, divination that have existed on the planet. What is astrology and divination, broadly speaking, it is the idea that the patterns in the heavens, the patterns of the planets, the patterns of the constellations and stars and seasons and the rhythms of the sky have the ability to act as a kind of correspondent mirror that the patterns of the heavens can speak as omens or signs in divinatory traditions, that means that they have the power to speak just like any other symbol, like a symbol in a dream, has the power to convey something of psychological significance. Omens and dreams, symbols, signs and dreams for 1000s of years, all across the planet, have been taken very seriously as something intelligent and alive within ourselves or within the cosmos, within the collective unconscious that has the power to speak so broadly speaking, what we know of as horoscopic astrology exists within a huge global tradition of astrology and divination, believing that signs, symbols, patterns in the heavens, just like images in dreams, have the power to speak, have the Power to convey something of significance. So that is actually where astrology comes from. It comes out of the planetary tradition of astrology omens. That planetary tradition has many, many, many different systems Chinese astrology. There's Sub Saharan African forms of astrology. There are South American forms of astrology. There's North American forms of astrology. I think it's remarkable that people all across the planet for 10s of 1000s of years were developing and living life in a kind of dialog with the patterns of nature, not just the heavens, but the patterns of the weather and the patterns of the ecosystems that they lived in, and so broadly speaking, all astrology, Omen traditions, Hellenistic astrology, and our signs and zodiac and all this just being one of them, they all are actually rooted In a primordial view of the cosmos that we might call animism. An animistic worldview is common among most ancient people, ancient Taoists, you know and and you know people in what am I thinking of like the Aboriginal dream time. So it's all over the planet. North Native American. North American, Native American peoples, they view the cosmos. Ancient people do as alive, as intelligent, as sentient, as responsive, as communicative, as conjunction. US. So first and foremost, the way that they look at reality itself is that reality is a living being. And a living being is, by definition, not a machine. One of the ways that you can describe the interactions of the various features and parts of a living being is through a mechanistic language, there is like a mechanistic way in which you can describe a living being, but ultimately, a living being will always evade or escape objectification, because it's alive, and so an animistic worldview privileges the relationship between the soul or the community, the village, the the earth and the rest of the cosmos as primary so what that means is that the you almost have to put yourself in a different way of thinking about what reality is before Astrology can make any sense at all. And the reason for that is that it is an animistic understanding of reality that facilitates all astrology traditions ever.

So anytime you're looking at the heavens and you're saying it that the signs and symbols that we see as patterns from our relative position, by the way, right? It's a all of the different traditions that look at the patterns of the heaven, they often share things in common, because we can see the same patterns all over the earth, and yet they are always culturally situated. They're the relative frameworks, just like there's not one language on planet Earth, but there are many. And not only that, but there are many dialects. That's because relational, subjective, conscious, sentient relativity in the ecosystem of reality is primary, not secondary. It's not some bullshit follow up to an objective you know, it's like, it's not a bullshit derivative an objective machine. Actually, objective descriptions of a subjective being are derivative. But anyway, so that's the animistic perspective. And like it or not, right? It just helps to understand that that's where all of these traditions are coming from. They're coming from the idea that rocks, rivers, the wind can speak that a fox could be just a little fox. It's its own being, but it also could be a messenger from the gods that your dreams are not just products of chemicals in your brain. One level, you could describe them in such ways, but simultaneously and not canceling one or the other out, is the other reality, which is that a spirit is visiting you. Maybe that spirit can be partially captured by describing it in terms of a chemical interaction. But on another level, it's a spirit visiting you in a dream, talking to you. And there might be other portions of the evening in which the images and symbols are products of your own unconscious processing or digesting of experience. But then partway through the dream, your grandfather visits you, and it's actually his spirit. You know that's animism. So when we think about astrology, you first and foremost have to put it into, I would call it a faith based tradition, in so far as for people nowadays to experience reality in that way, given how deeply we've been steeped in empirical, objectivist dogma is a kind of leap of faith, because it means, in a sense, that you're breaking you have to break yourself out of an empiricist, objectifying paradigm. And that's a kind of radical step that for many people, they would describe it, they would describe what we're doing is faith based. But remember, all the ancient people who believe that nature and reality itself was animistic didn't think of this as faith based. They thought of it as simply the case, that it's self evident. Just spend time in nature and you will find that there are presences that speak spend time in your dreams. You will find that there are presences that speak spend time observing patterns in any area of life whatsoever, and you'll find that patterns have the ability to reflect and correlate from some external space to some internal space. This is not radical for ancient people. This is just a fact. So it really helps to enter into an animistic understanding before ever trying to test astrology, because it's only from within that understanding that something, for example, like confirmation bias, can make sense. It's not confirmation bias. It's called communication. Communication, by its very nature, seeks confirmation because it's an exchange. And so when we seek out patterns that speak, and we seek out the ability that patterns have to speak and confirm that something is speaking to us and with us, that's not confirmation bias. That's seeking a connection, you know. So it's like. On within the empirical framework, confirmation bias makes sense. It has a place. It's something to be very careful of when you're doing a certain kind of thinking and a certain kind of testing. It's not appropriate in the world of astrology, because astrologers aren't seeking some kind of objective, mechanistic, complete overview of how everything operates, as though that trumps every other explanation of reality. Actually, objective explanations are quite far down the totem pole in an animistic framework. You know, they're, you know, mechanistic explanations are part of life, but they're not at the top. Right the top is the living, vibrant, conscious reality that we are all a part of and in relationship with. So you have to start there. That's where the whole thing starts. Now you could call it a faith based system, insofar as, again, for people today, this person, this, you know, like entering into a framework like this might be feel kind of radical, and I get that that's totally fair. If people were to describe an animistic understanding, a participatory, relational, ecological matrix of cosmic life as primary, if they were to describe that as faith based, fine, that's fine with me. I don't have any problem with that, because my faith is affirmed and confirmed every day in this basic truth through the way that I connect and relate with the cosmos with life. I can't ever undo that or unsee that for myself personally, especially after 10 years of working steeped in Ayahuasca traditions from South and Central America, where this kind of primal, animistic consciousness was not only basic to the way of life in the Amazon, but also completely opened up beyond a shadow of a doubt, through plants from the Amazon that allow the mind to step through the veil and see this animistic reality. You know, in IMAX 3d I mean, it's that vivid and that bright, and you can't unsee that. You can't un experience that so I do have, you know, I have a way in which my own faith has, you know, it's kind of gone beyond, for me, a matter of belief, right? It's like, it's just, it's been a part of my experience. And I think for most people, astrology is like that. It goes from something, you know, when, in the beginning, you know, you're kind of getting used to it, you're figuring out how it works, you're testing to what extent it can work, or how it works, and you're not sure how to explain it to other people. But if you spend more and more time with astrology, eventually just get to the point where you you don't care how it works. It just does. And that's, you know, in my opinion, if you look at the epistemological traditions of animistic people from all over the world, it's the same thing. They're not spending time trying to figure out how or why it should be the case that reality is sentient, alive, communicative, talking. They're not. They don't spend a whole lot of time trying to justify that. They're like, well, if you want to see it, just go have a conversation with it in earnest, you know, and you'll see for yourself. So anyway, so the opening frame, what is astrology? It comes from astrology Omen traditions that permeate the entire planet and all of those traditions are relative culturally situated and but they all share in a framework of animism. So that's the starting point. If you can understand that, if you can understand nothing more than that, I think you're you can. You can open your heart and mind a lot more to astrology, because what you realize is that it's really kind of a mystical, primordial, enchanted way of looking at the cosmos, that it's alive and talks and it does throw it can do so through patterns, through signs, through omens, through symbols, if you can even understand that there are a lot of people on this planet for 1000s of years who have always believed That and who still believe that, in my humble experience and opinion coming up in the Christian faith, as much as many Christians will say that they're close to astrology, they're not close to animism. They have a Christianized view of animism, which to them is the idea that reality is God, and that God speaks well. It's polytheistic, monotheistic, most ancient people were both at the exact same time, so you know. But if you talk to Christians, they're always seeing signs. They always believe God has a plan for their life. They always believe that they have a destiny that's God authored. They always believe every season is sacred. They always believe that signs and omens are guiding them, that dreams are real. Feel that prophecy occurs, that God gives signs in all these different ways, right? So they're, you know, like Christians are sharing the same worldview, largely. And so I also say that, like,

you know, for people who are very skeptical of astrology, just remember that even many, many many religious traditions on our planet right now who may be not practicing Astrology are still actually part of the same ancient, primordial, animistic view of the cosmos, because they are living every day as though the cosmos is alive and speaks through whatever name they give to God. I mean, it's just that basic. And so I think that what's really important is that people who believe that the only kind of truth is empirical do a little bit more to understand the epistemology of animistic traditions that believe that the cosmos and life and reality is divine and personal and communicative and conveying itself through nature, because that's common, and it's that it's not going away. You're not going to get rid of it. The only I mean to me, what's a bummer, is that these traditions can't find and see more unifying, underlying commonalities with one another, and tend to condemn each other, which is really unfortunate, and it's probably more of more of the reason, more so the reason that people can't stand religion is because of the self righteousness and the fanaticism than it is the actual view that this place is sacred and can speak to us. I don't think that most people really would have a problem with that. If people from different walks of faith treated each other as as part of the same fabric of divinity, you know, as like all of our sages have have told us and always emphasized again and again, all right, well, there is a secular, friendly lens that I want to mention, because let's just say all of that is too much for you. You're like, you know, what, Brother, you quaff too much Ayahuasca. Cool that maybe that's the case. I don't cling to certainty. I just try to stay in my heart and then, like that's good enough for me, a secular, friendly lens might be, let's say astrology is nothing, if it's nothing more than a poetic interpretation of the patterns of the sky for poets, for people who like to see reality poetically. Well, maybe it's just that you value art, and you value the freedom of human beings to artistically interpret the world around them. I don't think, how is that so hard to let people just have that now, if people, if people, I can understand the problem, if people who have poetic interpretations of the sky are claiming that what they're actually doing is an empirical, hard science, to me, that's where I'm going to agree with every skeptic out there. And I'm going to say, yeah, that's BS. That's not what this is. And I agree. I don't think that's what astrology is. Either I'm much more comfortable with someone saying that astrology is a poetic interpretation of the sky for artistic people than I am people saying that it's a hard science. Now, of course, I see it as this form of divination and animism, and that's really where my faith or understanding lies. I don't think it's merely a poetic interpretation of the sky, but my point is, even if it were nothing more than that, I think that there's a lot of things that fulfill the human spirit while we're here living that are subjective and personal and about the creation of meaning. And so if it were nothing more than that, I don't really think that's a problem. As long as people aren't running around trying to claim that it's a hard science when it's not. If astrology functions as a psychological and cultural myth making device, I think we need those. And I also don't think there's a problem with that, so long as astrologers don't go around trying to falsely claim that what we're doing is a hard, empirical, objective science. It's not. It's an astrology, again, my view, it's a form of animistic astrologymen divination, which has a really like rigorous theoretical, technical side to it, but is also fundamentally about communication and facilitating communication between a soul and the soul of the cosmos, or the animal Mundi, as ancient astrologers called it so. Anyway, let's move on now to talking about how divination works. Um, first and foremost, the biggest problem that modern astrologers present for themselves and for other people when it comes to taking astrology seriously is the idea that your birth chart is like a blueprint, that it is like a machine readout of facts, that it's like a map that has. Hard data in it. That is not how astrologers saw a birth chart in the ancient world. A birth chart would be, I want you to think about it like this, because it's not identical, but it's very similar. When you take a deck of Tao cards, symbols, omens, signs, totally different language, totally different form of divination. But it's similar in that you're basically believing that if I sit down and I have an inquiry, something that's bothering me, something I'm worried about, something I have an looking for some insight, I can sit down and I could cast, let's say, a past, present and future spread with three cards that have three different positions, meant to receive three different images and symbols that I can then use as a reflective medium for considering my inquiry. That's what divination is. That's what it's always been. It starts with an approach, with a context, with a question, with a reason for approaching the Oracle. What is the Oracle? The sentient intelligence of the cosmos, the sacred wisdom of this living, breathing Cosmos, when you approach it with an intention, with a question, with a context, then the symbols that are displayed in whatever ritual procedure is done, the casting of cards, the heating of a tortoise shell, the reading of tea leaves, or the cutting open of the animal and the exploration of the liver entrails, the casting of the I Ching, the casting of a birth chart. What it does is it then the symbols become like oracular reflective means by which you can extrapolate certain understandings of an understanding that's rooted in your concern or your question. So what is a birth chart in the ancient world, the primary reason for casting a birth chart was for a parent to inquire about the destiny or the fate of the soul that they had just birthed into the world so far before, before you or I would ever go looking to our birth chart to get some blueprint understanding of our psychology, right? It was never looked at that way. I mean, you could, you could certainly gain psychological insight from a chart. But the point is, the first concern was the parent saying, what will, what will the destiny of this child that we've just brought into the world be and there were different forms of birth charts that were cast more or less rigorous forms of timing of birth, different moments of the timing of birth, the conception moment versus the actual birth moment. And we know that timing devices in ancient astrology were not entirely reliable or accurate, not that they had no accuracy, but so it's really important to understand that the casting of a birth chart is not like a hard, objective, empirical thing. It's a ritual thing, just like the casting of Tao cards, the shuffling of the deck, the lighting of a candle, the prayer please through the you know there's, there's a belief right at the bottom of this. So there's nothing random, or that even randomness has a paradoxical reason for being there, or meaning or purpose. But so when you cast the cards in whatever way they fall, you're trusting that within the way they fall and the way that their symbols reflect back, that there will be some capacity to speak to your concern. Well, the ritual moment of casting a birth chart in the ancient world might have also existed at the first time that someone came in to see an astrologer. Maybe they had no idea what the birth data was. We have tons of evidence that astrologers would simply cast the ritual chart for the birth at the time that the person approached them. Right? Our whole horary tradition is born very closely to that idea. So the point being that there's this ritual moment in which the arrangement of symbols can speak to the concern what will happen to my child, who is the soul that has just come into the world? What will they do? Nothing in that chart is meant to be exhaustive. Nothing in that chart is meant to be some kind of absolute, fundamentally objective blueprint. It's not a personality profile with some kind of, like, a mapping of your DNA, or something like, like, super exhaustive. It's meant to be a kind of symbolic, oracular, speaking about certain features of the soul. And what's really, really fascinating is that the ritual casting of this chart at birth is then considered something like a a talisman that the soul can then have for the entirety of its life. It's as though, rather than, you know, in Tao, we might cast a new spread every single time that we have an inquiry. That's a part of the logic of that system.

The logic of the astrological system is a little different in so far as the moment of birth gives you a. Like a particular arrangement that's static. Well, the sky is never static. So we're ritualistically artificially freezing a moment in time and then using it as a moment of oracular significance that very magically can actually be reconsulted. It's like rather than casting a new spread, you're using the same spread, but that same spread will have the power to speak uniquely to every inquiry that you bring to it throughout a lifetime. And by the way, in the ancient world, you wouldn't do that on your own. You'd go to an astrologer. One of the things that further seduces us into thinking that it's a blueprint and that it has this exhaustive, objective mapping of who we are, or something like that, is it's all reinforced by the fact that today, most of us sit obsessing over our own charts and trying to understand it, understand them objectively, day in and day out, right? So because we think, well, the objective truth of who I am is in here, if I can just crack the code false, that's that's not, that's not astrology, right? That's something else. It's called neuroticism. You know, it's like, it's like, that's, that's not even very healthy. So the soul is a mystery, like Heraclitus said, The soul is a mystery explored to a depth, explored forever, to a depth beyond report. We don't want anything to pin us down and objectify us. That is and that way of looking at a birth chart is already betraying a leaning into an empirical worldview that is alien to the roots of astrology. Your birth chart should be this ongoing living medium that you look at not as you but you look at as like a living mirror. Spirit like your birth chart is like a living mirror, spirit filled with Gods and Goddesses, like swirling around in like a psychedelic mandala. Anytime you approach it, even casually, you are speaking with an intelligent, oracular, Mantic device. That's the ancient perspective. And so any reason you have for speaking, it also has the power to generate new insights relative to the context that you're bringing to it in the present moment. Because you, who you are, is not static, neither is the sky. It's always moving. The planets will never all entirely be in the exact same place twice before the sun burns out. There is no like objective, objective in that sense, right? You're a living being who, from the ancient standpoint, actually has no beginning and no end, just like the cosmos itself. So you can't get to the bottom of anything. You certainly can't objectify yourself through a horoscope. But what you can do is say, Today, I would like to spend time with this beautiful Mantic oracular mirror and look into it and see what it feeds back to me. And here's a hint, if you keep doing it obsessively, and every time you do it, it tends to feed back things that are negative or fearful or destructive or Oh my god. It feels like the astrology will never end. It's always one healing crisis after another, probably a pretty good sign. You should shut that thing up for a minute, right? Because it's just like people constantly drawing Tao cards and getting lots of negative feedback in loops. Part of it is the underlying neuroticism of not entering into a conversation in the right way. You're entering into a conversation through a paradigm of fear or anxiety like of course, you're going to get something mirrored back like that. And the sensitivity with which we approach and understand why we're approaching is fundamental to how astrology ends up working, which is why all these Bs tests also don't work, because they start with the approach of astrology being something it isn't, and then testing it to be something it isn't, which, of course, it will then fail at. So it's the same exact thing when it comes to how divination actually works. Your birth chart is meant to be something that you have a living relationship with over the course of your life. It is not an objective, static blueprint of who you are. It is a medium that allows you to speak to the depth of your soul in every new phase of life and every new season of life. And it like listen to what the ancient astrology said about why we actually practice astrology. Let me read you something.

So I'll pull a few quotes from let's pull a few quotes from Chris Brennan's wonderful text on Hellenistic astrology and the I the let's talk about why astrologers practiced. Let me see if I can get my spot here. I'm.

Yeah, here we go. All right, I'm going to read you a few lines that just kind of get right to the heart of it.

This is Valens Vettius. Valens is a famous astrologer from the Roman era, writing hundreds of years after the actual earliest transmission. But he's kind of a compiler and cataloger of early doctrines and teachings of Hellenistic astrology

for God and His desire that humans should foreknow the future. Brought the science into the world, the science through which anyone can know their fate in order to bear the good with great contentment and the bad with great steadfastness. Accordingly. Then the initiates of this art, this is really important, because the word for the word for science, astrology is a really a way of saying the logic or the the like the grammar of the sky, that it has an intelligence to its patterning. But then he also calls it an art that's very important. Those wishing to have knowledge of the future will be helped, because they will not be burdened with vain hopes. Will not expend grievous, Midnight toil, will not vainly love the impossible, nor in a like manner, will be the carried away by their eagerness to attain what they may expect because of some momentary good fortune. A suddenly appearing good often grieves men as if it were an evil. A suddenly appearing evil causes the greatest misery to those who have not trained their minds in advance, those who engage in the prediction of the future and the truth. Having acquired a soul that is free and not enslaved, do not think highly of fortune. Do not devote themselves to hope, nor are they afraid of death. But instead, they live their lives undaunted by disturbances, training their souls to be confident. He's a stoic. So not all ancient astrologers were stoics. We have pretty good sense. He was a stoic. But what's really important about what he says there is that the study of astrology is not meant to amplify attachments, not attachment to who we are, not an attachment to getting to some kind of objective bottom line of who we are not getting to some kind of obsession about every last thing that's going to happen in the future, but rather that it becomes through the study of these signs and patterns, we can see, oh, there's an intelligence at every stage of life. We can use these patterns to see reflected back intelligent, meaningful patterning in all of the good times and in all of the bad times. And this kind of reflective art, this reflective language, is meant to therefore, allow us to move through the ups and downs of life in a little bit more of an even keeled place. It's not that we're not human. It's not that we're bypassing the ups and downs of life. It's that we're not getting so freaking spun out by them. And so in both the east and the west, astrology was not about, you know, this obsessive need to get to some kind of objective bottom line, or to be able to constantly demonstrate control over every last thing that's going to happen, or complete, perfect understanding of everything that's going to happen in the future, like some empirical science. No, it was nothing like that. It was a contemplative, prayerful way of living through every stage, season and moment of life, and anytime you need to look at this language you do so so that it can feed back to you. Yes, I'm in a meaningful, sacred Cosmos where there is an intelligent design flowing through every last thing. And that brings me back to my heart. It brings me back to trust. It brings me back to confidence in my soul, that I am a soul that is a part of the animal Mundi, the soul of the cosmos. There's nothing out of place here. That's what the language is facilitating, and it's very artistic in the way that it does that it's not about blueprints, right? So similarly, there's another quote Firmicus said, This study will most successfully bring us to the point where our souls will despise everything which is considered evil or good in human affairs. For when we learn of the approach of difficulties, we despise the threat of evils, because we've learned from our doctrine about things to come. Do not shrink from dangers once foretold by recollection of its majesty. Our souls have formed themselves to withstand these things. We are not overcome by bad fortune, nor elated by promise of great fortune, thus fortified, we cannot be oppressed or overjoyed. Now oppressed or overjoyed, he's talking about extremes. He. So Hermes and Zoroaster say that philosophers as a class are superior to fate, because they neither rejoice in her good fortune, nor they masters over pleasures for nor are they thrown by the evil she sends, as they always lead an inner life. So understand that from within this perspective, again, you have a you have a birth chart. But what is that? It's like a Mantic oracular mirror, and the real reason for going to it is to bring you back to your heart, to your trust, to your faith, to your acceptance, to your ability to flow through life meaningfully. And the language is not meant to do that by giving you some kind of false sense of control or perfect, objective certainty about how everything works. It's meant to give you signs and omens that there is an intelligence that your mind doesn't need to circumscribe. You can just relax. You can flow along the river, so to speak. So that's like, that's what astrology is meant to be. That's why we call it divinatory, not scientific. Now, one of the main myths that perpetuates this idea that astrology is a science are dry readings. So when people come in nowadays at any time to my client practice, and they say, I'm not going to give you any information. I just want you to dry read my chart. I will literally tell them, that's not astrology. That's something else. And I totally get your curiosity to see, you know, what can an astrologer see in my chart without any data or insight whatsoever? And it's not that astrologers can't see anything. Certainly, I can sit down and dry read a chart, and usually I can hit on some things. But that's not what astrology is, because that's a form of testing the Oracle. And testing the Oracle is frowned upon in all oracular traditions on the planet, like all of them. This is why, also it said, even in the prayer wisdom tradition of the Bible, don't put God to the test. It's that simple. It's it's offensive to say, You know what? You prove yourself to me. No, if you want to talk to something and you have even the slightest inclination that it might be a super intelligent universe that you're living in you approach it humbly. You say, Look, I'm skeptical. I don't know if I believe in any of this. I'm having a hard time with it, but I would like to engage in a conversation, and I hope that you'll speak with me. Here's something I'd legitimately like to talk about. That's how you test something sincerely, humbly, openly, right? So dry readings and the sense that an astrologer is supposed to sit down and be able to say something about your chart with zero context is not oracular consciousness in the first place. That's why it doesn't work. The other thing that is really important is that we not then try to create tests for astrologers that are rooted in the same idea that, well, astrology is valid insofar as you can sit down with the chart and be able to name as many objective details about a person's life as possible with zero context and zero respect for the Oracle. That's actually the one that will speak that you're just going to be interpreting on behalf of that's what a diviner actually is. From the standpoint of this ancient tradition, a diviner is someone that, in Te reads the tea leaves. You know, the tea leaves are the the ones that are speaking, the pattern, the stars, the planets, the gods, the archetypes, the archive, the zoideon, like the these are the things that speak. An astrologer is just an interpreter. It's bad karma, first and foremost, for the diviner to not approach the Oracle as if it is the Oracle speaking, but rather some purely mechanistic machine that they're looking into and trying to manipulate anytime you do that, even if you get so far doing that, because there is a logos that's at play here. But the more you do that, the worse karma you accrue, not only for yourself, but for the entire field of astrology. That's taught to us by Vedic astrologers. We're not just making that up. That's literally taught to us in Vedic Astrology. So the other thing, though, that's really important is that any time that you're trying to prove your ability by getting something right, you're disrespecting where the real intelligence comes from. It's not from you. You're just a humble hermeneutic interpreter. You're a messenger that is trying to convey something because you love the language enough to convey it. It's your love. It's your it's the arrows that allows for the interpretation to occur. Your love of the language is what it's the grace that that you've received as a as a reader, to be able to say something that's of value or worth given the actual context that's in front of you. So anyway, this is a little bit about how divination works. What does astrology actually offer? Well, I think we've already talked about it for people who live astrology as an everyday experience. Experience, who consult their chart, let's hopefully not every day and every moment obsessively, you know, in the way I was describing, but who have a meaningful relationship with your chart.

It's like a talisman. It's like an altar that you go to, that you're circumambulating, and it speaks to you, and it gives you guidance. They can offer, of course, prediction, topics, themes, timing, Windows. I'll talk more about that in a minute, but it also quite frequently for people who are into astrology as a lifestyle, just like the practitioners, Chris mentions here that I was just reading from the more that astrology becomes a way of life for you, less about a particular anxiety you're going to an astrologer to talk about, and more of a language that you access semi regularly. It really is a kind of, it's a form of like contemplative intellectual prayer. It is a way of meditating on experiences intellectually in terms of patterns that provide meaning instruction, and frequently, just bring you back to a sense of like there's something, there's a greater intelligence at work here, and I can trust that I don't have to control everything, that I can let go, that I can be in this stream of life with greater trust, greater surrender. For most people who practice astrology, that's what it's doing, and at a certain point, it's very normal and actually healthy for the obsession with getting to the bottom of your own chart to just fall off. It's not that you don't go to your chart anymore. It's not that you don't consult it. It's not that you don't pay attention to the transits. It's that you're paying attention to them like a like a breath or meditation practice as a way of taking in and out experiences with a kind of reflective, circular breath. And most people who practice astrology, that's what's actually happening. It therefore doesn't help anything that so much astrology content is just so fucking sensationalized, right? It's like, like, you know, like, if we're trying to get into this reflective, prayerful stream of living with astrology, How helpful is it to be constantly thinking about transformational gateways and portals and burning off karma and transforming and living and, you know, dying and being reborn and Jesus, you know, it's like, that's not how it was for these ancient astrologers. For these ancient astrologers, is like that, the sign that you're advancing astrologically is that your living relationship with the Oracle provides you with a steadier stream like that. I mean, there's going to be transformative events, don't get me wrong. I go through them too, but like when every other day the content descriptions on like three quarters of social media's astrology is so epic and sensationalized, we've gone so far afield from what astrology actually is. And that's why people are skeptical of it too, because it seems like, on a certain level, it's just a kind of self reinforcing New Age narcissistic trip that people are on and they're right. They're not wrong. So skeptics who see astrology that way, hats off to you. You're seeing it exactly as I see it, and exactly as I think many ancient mystics who thought of this as something like a monastic way of living while still having to be in the world like astrology has always been for the monks who have to live in the city in a way, that's what it's always been. So if you see it as something that seems to be amplifying the worst attachments, the worst ego trips in people on that level, I don't necessarily disagree with you. I think that's astrology at its worst. And I don't mean to sound so judgmental, but like that to me, I have to be real about that, because that's why a huge amount of people don't like astrology. So astrology, though, is meant for us to be in like a prayerful meditation upon the nature of experience and to see that it's patterned and beautiful, that we can trust it, reflect upon it, draw not just one meaning from it, but many meanings from it. And yes, predict certain things. And those that the prediction element of astrology is probably what most people really want to know. Well, like, well, how does that part work? You know what like, why do you do it? What? What is it all about? Prediction becomes really a interesting thing to talk about, because archetypes are first and foremost, the primary medium of the language. So planets are thought of as gods by the ancient Greek astrologers. Gods, in turn, are thought of as archive or first principles of reality. They're like organizing philosophical dimensions of reality. So the sun and the moon, for example, are thought of as the primary symbols philosophically of the entire language, and you have to learn the whole philosophical matrix of the language for the symbols to to really make sense. And that's another thing that there's often what you end up hearing about astrology. On a superficial level, on an everyday level, like through social media, is like 10 layers removed from the philosophical core. So a lot of practitioners are operating with, like, very little understanding in their toolkit of what they're actually talking about philosophically, like where it all comes from, and that creates problems as well. But anyway, the planets, the primary symbols of our language. Those primary symbols are going my dog. The primary symbols of the language are archetypes, archetypes that have correspondent philosophical meanings. So for example, the sun and the moon primary symbols. The sun represents one, masculine singularity, undivided one like Yang, very similar to Yang In Taoist philosophy and symbolism, the moon represents the Yin or the many. And so a fundamental principle within the language of astrology is that there is oneness and there is manyness. So for example, on a very basic level, that's where we get the idea that you and I are features of the manyness of reality. We're individual beings. And there's trees and dog outside my door, and there's a multiplicity of beings. However, that multiplicity also shares in a simultaneous oneness. It's all one thing, even though it's many different things. At the exact same time, the sun and the moon represent those as basic features of reality that was being observed by these philosopher astronomers. And the symbolic language that emerges comes from this philosophizing about the planets and how they represent things philosophically, the reasons that they represent these things philosophically are astronomically derived. So, for example, you might say, Well, why does the sun represent oneness? It represents oneness because its face is steady and constant compared to any other astrology symbol. The Moon, for example, demonstrates multiplicity because its face is always changing and its latitude is always latitude is always varying. Whereas the sun's latitude is what defines the ecliptic, it doesn't vary, and everything varies relative to it. So everything else, the planets and the moon as a pantheon, exist relative to the straightness and singularity of the sun. Similarly, the sun defines the great circle of the Zodiac, whereas the moon breaks that Zodiac into 12 Parts through 12 Lunation Cycles, idealized in a solar year. And so the one in the many become mediums philosophically through which the basic construction of the Zodiac occurs. That the cosmos is both one thing that's comprised of many things is actually observed by the communion between the sun and the moon as astral philosophical symbols, and that's what we mean when we say that they're looking at these patterns, but they're deriving philosophical meaning from them that can then become used as symbols in a language that we can speak with, because these patterns are moving as living patterns with philosophical meaning in nature. We can reflect upon their movements in terms of philosophical and symbolic meanings with whatever context we bring to it, because that context is occurring within the orbit of these patterns. So there's it becomes like a mirror, and they were literally talked about this through the hermetic doctrine as above, so below that the doctrine of correspondences is derived from this kind of thinking. So anyway, the all of the symbols in astrology are archetypal, which first and foremost, means that they have philosophical cores. But then those philosophical cores can show up in human life, in the specific dramas and circumstances and unfolding of events in human life according to a huge variety of different specific expressions. So this is why we say that archetypes, and it has been said this way for 1000s of years, are both multi dimensional and multi Valens. Multi dimensional and multi Valens means that the symbols have core philosophical meanings that always stay intact, while their specific meanings can be very different. Let me give you an example.

Insofar as the sun was associated with the great circle and unity and union, it was related to law and law givers, because the law was thought to be that thing that allows for everything to have unity. So Dharma, for example, in Indian astrology, associated with the ninth house, which is called the joy of the sun. The sun is associated with Dharma because it's it's sense of creating a great circle in the sky that brings order and unity to the seasons and to life itself in the rhythms of nature that is thought to be associated with law and lawgivers in human society. So you see, all they're doing is they're extrapolating from a philosophical core to a specific instance of that philosophical core. In human life, same thing with the moon. The moon represents multiplicity and manyness, or, say, like, as opposed to a king and a law giver, which were often conflated in the ancient world. The moon was associated with the village in the city and the ever you know the life in the city that the king or the law ideally presides over or keeps together through some kind of divine mandates. Now obviously in the human world, this is all an ideal symbolic language. The world is constantly falling short of ideals, which is why it can be so dangerous to be as super ideologue or idealist, because that often becomes the measure by which we end up hating other people. We don't want to hate the world. So we're not trying to say that the world is somehow perfectly ordered according to astrology symbolism. Oh, but the astral symbolism provides us with a medium to reflect upon the way in which life is always trying to approximate ideals or archetypes. This is why all of our movies are rooted in archetypes. This is why you can go to school and study all of the myths around planet earth that are derived or share in common archetypes. So when it comes to prediction, what's so hard for people to understand is that prediction operates according to archetypal topics and themes. The timeline is the most concrete part of it, but even the timeline tends to be like a wave pattern that has certain peaks and valleys along a wave through a period of time. Within that period of time, what we can then do is say, here are peak periods within, let's say, a year. There's a transit of a planet taking place within a year. Within that year, there's a few little peak periods, you know, where things are most tight or intense with, say, a planetary aspect. So that's that has some variance in it. And then within that wave pattern, during the peaks, we are working with a most likely set of archetypally specific topics and themes that will combine along the likely peaks of the timeline. When you look at it in that way, there is a huge amount of room for people to end up saying a bunch of generic shit, because they're not very specific, and they don't know how to combine archetypal themes and topics very well. Most of the time, they're not working with context. They're dry reading, and so their ability to be specific goes out the window, because context is what drives specificity archetypally, and they also, you know, will not always know how to track the peaks of the timeline very well. So anyway, broadly speaking, when it comes to prediction, here's the here's the really fun, bizarre thing to think about. You might ask, How is it even possible that a language like this ought to include, like, how should it, how should it be able to predict anything you know, like, what? What is that? Well, and again, this is the best answer I've understood, but I will admit it's still deeply mysterious to me, and I can't pretend to circumscribe this kind of magic and mystery with my mind all the time. I think it's important to be honest about that, that I don't fully understand how it works, but I know it does, and I'll show you it does, hopefully with some substantive demonstrations here in a minute. But the best way that I can understand this is by looking at what ancient people said about time. So take this, you know, for just for your consideration, most of these ancient cultures believe that time was cyclical and circular, not linear. So when we think about the future, we think about something out in front of us along a linear line. And ancient astrologers are looking at the circular, recurring patterns in the sky as a mirror of the nature of time itself. So Plato famously said time is the moving image of eternity. The archetypes are therefore the planets in their cycles and circles revolving in these patterns reflecting something that is is always in existence, has always been in existence, and will always be in existence, perfectly known and perfectly existing, in some ways, transcendent to our experience of it along the illusion of a temporal, linear timeline. So in other words, it's our limited perspective of time along a linear line that makes it seem so crazy that this kind of prediction ought to be available in the first place, but actually a non linear, circular view of time where everything is already existent and present eternally in a circle is what's being tapped into through these circles in the sky. And that blows our linear mind. Time and time again, but I also promise you, it gets to a point where it's not even that. It's not even that surprising anymore. After you've done it long enough, I can sit down with someone. And I'm not kidding you when I say this, here's the kinds of things that I do regularly. In my practice, I don't sit down and dry read for people. First of all, I think that's BS, but, I mean, I've done it before, but never. It's never, never goes as well as when someone provides me with meaningful context. So one of the things I'll just give you an example. This comes from the last chapter of my my book that I've just finished, finished writing yesterday. So in like, let's just say I remember very vivid story, first year of reading charts for people, and, you know, obviously very nervous, I sit down with a woman and she didn't really have a context for being there. So I was stuck with that. Like, great. I'm in a dry reading situation. And even early in my career, I realized right away, this is not ideal. It's always better if someone has a reason for being there. So I just say, Oh, I look, and I see, in the past year, about a year ago, she had eclipses in her marriage house. I said, Are you married? And she said, No. Why do you ask? I said, Well, you had eclipses in your marriage house last year. I'm just wondering how that went for you. Well, her husband had died, unfortunately, of cancer, and she's still pretty young, so this is real devastating. And so I do I can I sit down and do I know that eclipses in her marriage house meant that her husband died? No, because that's not archetypal. That's not multivalent. What I know are topics, themes and timelines. Eclipses in the marriage house most likely mean that some dimension of interpersonal relationships went through an important, more pronounced period than your everyday stuff eclipses in your marriage house, frequently will correlate with major events around interpersonal relationships, marriage, partnership, etc. So that was all I knew. It wasn't like I had some psychic ability to see that she had lost her husband, but I asked that meaningful question based on a pattern that I could see, a topic, a theme, were there any real life changing events around marriage? Right? Oh, my God, I lost my husband two minutes into the reading. She's in tears because someone she doesn't know can sit down and pluck a timeline or a peak moment timeline. It was down to within a couple of months around eclipse season that this occurred, and I was able to say, hey, look, you had some eclipses here about a year ago. Around this time, what happened? Oh, my husband died. That's astrology. And then I said, Oh, well, let's go back in time. About 19 years ago, you had eclipses also in the marriage house gave the date and time. What happened around that period of time? Well, that's when I met my husband. Okay? So now, in 1015, minutes, someone has approached an Oracle. They're in a period of loss. They're feeling a little disoriented, but they didn't even have a clear question. I'm sitting there going, well, what's the most obvious thing I see having happened recently in this chart? The most obvious thing that occurred to me in the in the chart were the eclipses in the marriage house. So I said, Well, you know, like, what happened? I lost my husband? Oh, wow. Well, what happened 19 years ago when it was there? Because, you know, it's like, oh, maybe there's a story arc. Maybe there's something we can connect from one Eclipse period to another. Because I'm struggling here, this woman's crying now, you know, oh, well, that's when I met my husband. Oh, now we're in serious like take off your sandals sacred space, because the astrologer has sat down and has been able to accurately predict, without knowing anything about this person, the occurrence of the husband's death and the occurrence of the meeting of the husband.

And I remember that woman being really blown away and not needing anything else, right? It's like, that's enough. You just got what you paid for. In terms of someone being able to say, I can see that there was a meaningful moment right here in marriage, and there's another one right here, yeah, that's when I met and lost my husband. The kind of things that people take away from that experience are very, very simple, deceptively simple, oh, I can trust that every season of life has a meaning and a reason and a time. It's like, you know, the Proverbs or the Psalms, you know, like there's a season for everything, and a person in that kind of experience goes, I trust that I was meant to meet my husband when I was because this guy sat down and saw some eclipses in the marriage house the year I met my husband, and then he he's gone now, and I lost him tragically, but there were eclipses in the same place. I can trust that it was his time to move on. That simple trust. That's the gift of astrology. It's not meant to be anything more than that. It doesn't have to be anything more complicated than that. Most of why we need a. Astrology on a daily level is not meant to be more complicated than that, right? And so when we try to prove astrology and all these empirical ways, first of all, I mean, look at did as an astrology. I mean, I took a I took a meaningful guess, you know, informed by logos, like, informed by by my craft, by my technique by knowing okay, but she has nothing to talk about. So the biggest thing that recently happened were eclipses in her marriage house. They look like they were, you know, kind of big ones. One of them had landed, like right on her descendant, which is a critical degree in that house. So it's like, okay, but I had no idea, because I have topics, themes and timelines archetypally, I Yeah, so that's what, that's what we're doing, and I think skeptics can be relieved to know that that's what we're doing and that it's it's not like astrology can't be so objective and specific because it's divinatory, it's symbolic. It's meant to give us, it's like it's this magic oracular wishing pool that you're looking in into and that always works better if you have a reason that you're looking into it, well, then the astrologer knows what images to draw forth from it. And the basic reason that we're doing it is not to prove that we perfectly know the future. It's to give the soul comfort that your life is meaningful and actually like in Vedic Astrology, this is said very explicitly. The more you do astrology, the more you start developing this trust in the flow of life, that it's sentient, that it's intelligent, that you're in a communicative Cosmos, that you're a part of a special part of you start seeing that more and more you drop out of needing to control things, or being so obsessed with who you are or what you have to do, or something like that. Like the gift is this kind of simple feeling of just being a cosmic animal that's part of the cosmic animal that doesn't have to be anything elaborate.

Astrology will always resist mechanistic proof, because it's oracular. What is alive cannot be objectified. TESS will slip through the cracks because the cracks are the cracks of a living animal. I to me anytime that people try to test astrology and it comes into my orbit, I reminded so much of the teacher who has meant the most to me around this animistic divinatory perspective. That's Jeffrey Cornelius, he said in his book The moment of astrology, which is a fantastic book about the history of astrology and divination, he said, tests to astrologers can always be reflected upon as a message or omen or sign in and of themselves, and for us, It's probably better to reflect upon that level of things than trying to, you know, trying to convince something of someone that they're in a completely different paradigm, you know, and are not going to have an easy time understanding from within a paradigm that's fundamentally different from the One that we're living and breathing in with astrology. Okay, so what I want to do now is just give some practical demonstration of the archetypal nature of prediction and the sort of oracular, divinatory component, and the way that we're going to do this is by having some people come into the studio and we're going to start with a topic that is important to you, and I'm going to show you specifically how I work and like, kind of like, the limits and extent to which prediction is actually working for most astrologers, which I hope these Little Live client demos will do to me. This isn't exactly testing astrology as much as it is, just sort of trying to take you behind the curtain a little bit and be like, this is actually what we're doing. It's, it's not, it's not as crazy as it seems, you know. So I'm going to shift now to the inbox, and let's just see. All right, I'm going to send you some.

All right, so what I'm going to do is I'm going to send several live links to join me in in the studio. Okay, so check your email if you sent me something, please be sure you check your email, because I'm going to send you a link, and you have to click on the link, and then you'll join me in the studio. So Kyle wants to talk about career. I'm really excited to hopefully bring in some skeptical men, or even non skeptical men we don't. Always get men visiting the channel, so that'll be great. Um, let's see here. Kim wants to talk about relationships. Kim, so I'm going to send you a link. Uh, going back through here. So um, Sally, I'm sending you a link.

I Nicole, I'm sending you a link. Now I'm not going to be able to have everyone on, but sometimes people drop off or the feed isn't working, so I always bring in more people than I'm going to be able to get to. So please don't be offended if I can't get to you, but I'm going to hopefully get to a few people,

all right. And Aryan from Rochester, Minnesota, got to get at least one Minnesota person on Okay, so I've sent some links. I'm really excited to to do some demos here. So now, all right, Kyle, you ready? Hey, I'm ready. Hey, how's it going? Man, it's great. How are you good? Good? I'm glad that you're here, and I appreciate you just, you know, making yourself available for, hopefully some some good demos for folks. Can I have your birth date,

May 4, 1989

Okay, in the time 12:45am all right, and the place

Summit, New Jersey, cool.

Okay, great, so I'm going to put your chart up. It's in whole signs. That's the kind of Hellenistic framework. And,

yeah, let's talk about it was career, right? Tell me. Tell me what's what's on your mind about career?

Yeah, so I think my career, my whole life, has been a kind of moving target, very I guess lot of education. First real career move was engineering out of school, went back and got an MBA, and then started my own business, and then quit that business, and it's just been a very interesting evolution of career for me, in a way that keeps moving in the direction of fitting the lifestyle that I'm trying to be living, quite nomadic at the moment, but at the moment, you I always kind of reach this point with each job that I work, that I feel the limitations of it, and I start to look at or feel the need to Find something more in alignment with me?

Sure, sure.

So, yeah, I'm at a place right now that really feeds my lifestyle, but I just continue to feel this deeper calling. I think being in the midst of my note of return might have a lot to do with, I guess, the unrest in me at the moment. Yeah, I feel the creativity turning on. I've picked up guitar recently, so just seeking more alignment in that regard,

sure, let's let me just ask a question or two so I can understand some of the context a little bit more. So you were talking about you get to a place with career endeavors where you know something about it isn't satisfying, or if you end up feeling stuck, did I kind of hear that,

right? Yeah, I feel the limitations of it.

Limitations of it, that's what you said. And does it feel as though it's competing or conflicting with some other specific need, or is it like a regular thing that it conflicts

with freedom? In a sense, I would say, is what it conflicts with. Although my jobs increasingly have been giving me more and more freedom, so maybe creative expression, I think is, is what I feel it conflicting with, yeah,

okay, perfect. So what I want to do now is I just want to try to demo some backward looking prediction, because we can't, I mean, we can't demonstrate how prediction works going forward unless we have you back in six months or something, you know. So I will give you some forecasting, you know for sure, because. I want you to have some timelines to take with you, but I want to go backward in time first and just sort of do some demoing. I'm going to highlight some transits to places in your chart that I'm imagining are probably connected to the pattern you're describing around a work endeavor, maybe feeling a little stuck. And so what I'm going to do is I'm going to pull up the BI wheel. Okay, can you see the chart on the screen? Yeah, okay, perfect. So what I want to do is I want to go back in time to I'm to here. So the first thing that I'm going to look at is the symbol in your chart that, to me, speaks to the most basic, primary emotional need for freedom. Okay, that, to me, is going to be the moon in the sign of Aries. Now the reason for that, let me explain to people who are I want to I'm going to try to explain the logic of how I'm reading for in case there are skeptics listening to this. So when a client comes to talk to me and they're like, Hey, I have, I want to know when you know, maybe I'm going to find a career that I don't end up feeling stuck in, right? It's like a bet. You know, how many people have come to me asking that question over the years, 1000s. So it's a very basic human concern, and it's not very extraordinary, in a sense, because it's so human, so but what? But every chart will have a different way of helping us locate the patterns that are in that are constellating around whatever the specific dynamic is with a career being unsatisfying. So in this case, the clients provided a little context, which is that I end up feeling a bit limited or restrained or confined, or, you know, something like that, for and I need freedom. I need freedom. Okay, so what I want to do first and foremost is find the tension between something like discipline and commitment and stick to itiveness and freedom. And there are many, many symbols in astrology and their combinations that can speak to that. For example, in in Kyle's chart, one thing that we see is that he's got Saturn on the ascendant. Oh, there's the big circle. Let me so that that's its own divinatory personality. By the way, Saturn is on the ascendant. And so many times when the planet Saturn, which often represents things like restraint, restriction, discipline, etc, is right on the ascendant. It's a critical degree associated with personality psychology. Body and a planet on the Ascendant is often one that a person has to free themselves from, or it's one that a person needs to become more identified with. So let's say Kyle had zero responsibility. He had zero ability to be responsible, had zero ability to commit Saturn on the ascendant in a chart with that problem, would present as a planet seeking incorporation or integration into the personality, and that might be a way of talking about it with a client. On the other hand, if Kyle presented as someone who was so committed, but then tended to undercut his own freedom or his own exploration or spontaneity or creativity or childlike nature because of a tendency to be too serious, then Saturn on the ascendant might be something we talk about as, as something to be freed from, you know, as something to be loosened. But it's relative. So you see how the same symbol can speak differently. This is why in a personality test, if someone were to say, what does it mean that Saturn's on the ascendant without context, you have two polar opposite ways that Saturn on the ascendant will often show up. You'll have many people presenting with Saturn on the ascendant as very strict, disciplined, sometimes rigid, conservative, highly committed people, and you'll also have another handful of people with Saturn on the ascendant, who, you know, maybe completely lack any kind of staying power, of stick to itiveness. They feel like Saturn is an old man they're trying to constantly escape from. So that's why it becomes really difficult to be objective about something subjective, like an archetype that can be multivalent and express in different ways. So context drives how you interpret Saturn on the Ascendant is the important point. But in his chart, it's Saturn in a square with the moon in Aries, to me, that speaks very loudly, because the moon in Aries is very freedom loving. It's a moon that without, you know, getting too technical, it's a moon that loves movement, that loves freedom, that loves spontaneity, that loves to be independent, you know. So we have a square between Saturn on the ascendant and the moon that could speak to the internal level of the dynamic that's. Experience being experienced externally in a career. So a lot of the times, what we're doing as astrologers is trying to identify the psychological components of an external situation and maybe illuminate them for someone. Hey, there's a tension here between these two things. Maybe that's what's at play, rather than some literal fate in the career or something like that. But one of the ways you can test these things in a reading is to say, Well, let's look at what happened when one of those planets had pressure applied to it, right? So if Saturn or the moon experience a great pressure, what kind of events come up in life? And often, you'll find that there's a meaningful connection between those events and the pattern. If you sort of directly identified it in relation to the career. So for example, let's go what I'm going to do now Kyle is I'm going to take us to, well, we'll try this one first. And these can be a little hit or miss, but we're going to take Pluto forward to the moment that it squared your moon. So looks like we're going to get it right about, and I'm taking it to what I was talking about earlier. Is like a peak period, a peak moment. So for us as astrologers, that tends to be when a planet, a transiting planet, gets to within three degrees of a natal planet in the outer wheel of this chart, you're seeing the Transiting Planets being superimposed on the original positions of the planets at birth, and you're seeing them move through and create different geometric configurations. This one is a square, so you can see Pluto this planet at 25 degrees in the outer wheel is creating a square to the moon at 25 degrees in the inner wheel. Now the first exact pass comes about in the very beginning of 2021 but Pluto is existing within one degree of that moon for most of the entire year. It comes back to an exact square around the summer of 2021 in July, and then through direct motion, it's going to come back one more time around December of 2021 now, in 2022 it gets into a few more little aspects, but let's just start with 2021 and let's ask what was happening that year. Now with the moon, we might think specifically in the fourth house as the ruler of your seventh in terms of things like marriage, home, family, living, environment, familial or ancestral karma, those are the interconnected topics of the moon. But also anything pertaining to your emotional or psychological like inner life would be appropriate too. So Kyle, I'm hoping you have a good memory. Can you think of anything that was happening in 2021

Yeah, that's a fascinating time. In this regard. It was the end of 2020 I think that opening square that, yeah, you said that, yeah. I kind of got on the road full time for for my company that I was growing at the time. I came like traveling sales for work. So there was a big feeling of freedom in that at the time. And about a year of that, which is where the chart is now, sold my condo and moved on to the road, road full time for my life and my career and everything so big changes in freedom and just my relationship with my career at that time,

right so well now let me just pause for everybody, because that may not seem like a big deal, but it actually is pretty profound. So what, what I was able to do, like really quickly with astrology, someone comes in and they say, Hey, I have, I have an issue in my career I'd like to talk about. And that issue is that I get into these situations where I end up feeling sort of stuck and restricted, and I really, really value freedom, you know? And I say, Okay, I think I see the planet that values the freedom. I think that's the moon and Aries. So let's see what was happening relative to this theme of freedom and your career under a transit that would have placed exact pressure on that place in the chart. And what we can see, I can go back in time pick a transit and I know those themes and topics are very likely to be active and present and expressing during that time and what was happening during that time. I have no knowledge of this. I didn't have any specific guess as to what was happening outside of the themes, topics and timelines because of archetypal multi Valens. But sure as shit, right, there's Kyle going on the road and having this pretty significant transformation in his career relative to his need for freedom. And that's exactly what we would expect when this planet, more than any other planet in the chart that loves freedom, is getting activated. Right? So that's astrology. Now, like demonstrating that. The reason that it's hard to demonstrate that, there are a few reasons. One, it requires context. Notice how Kyle brought context, and he brought the description of a pattern which I was then able to recognize along the lines of a symbol in the chart, which then I can predict those themes topics around this timeline would have been amplified relative to this inquiry. That's astrology. That's why it can't be tested, because it's so contextual, and it requires the sensitive reading of a practitioner who knows how to map the context into a symbol and then track its development. That's nothing that can be done in a test that 150 astrologers take. You just can't, you can't resemble that in testing, not, not unless the testing became archetypal like this. Anyway, if you see what I mean, even then, I would be hesitant, because I'm not gonna lie. I also believe it is the loving, connected relationship that I have with the oracle that has facilitated at least a good amount of my ability to do this. It's not just my brain, right? It's like an artist that, how do they become really, you know, intuitive, moving around the neck of a guitar, time experience and some kind of grace or mercy that flows through their hands, I guess, right? And I think most artists think of it that way. It's the muse. It's not me. I don't know where it comes from, but that's why you also like it's it's like a good astrologer can demo what they do, but it's hard to create a test that doesn't take that personal part of the astrologer into consideration as well. It's an art form. So anyway, all right, Kyle, thank you. What I want to do next is just, let's talk about what I think is likely to occur next. So to me, what we're really talking about is, okay, there was a really radical, seemingly very positive moment where greater facilitation of freedom came into your career, and that's going to be important. So to me, the what's the next step? Right? It's like, it's like, how do, how do, how does that theme continue and maybe evolve into the next part of the story? How do we bring that freedom into a career that can have some staying power? So what I would do is I'm going to look for symbols that can speak to the need for creative fulfillment, and let's call it emotional and physical freedom at the same time. So here's what I'm looking at. First of all, when I think to myself, Where does a person really feel like they're in touch with their creative essence? It's the fifth house. You've got a fifth house sun in Venus, you know. So I'm going to track a transit if I can, to your son. Because to me, when the sun gets activated in a really strong way, people often feel not just free, but like you're you're in that beam of light that's directing your life, you know. And I think that's probably a good, way to go here. So what I'm going to look at is going to be this. This is Pluto squaring your sun. Now it's a little ways down the road, but this, as you probably know, Pluto has a very slow burn and slow build up. So its approach to your sun within three degrees is going to begin in a little less than five years. I know on the outset, if I say five years, a person will immediately think, Oh, great, I'm screwed for the next five years. You know, no, it means when I see you potentially like really starting to step into something that feels like your, your your life's calling. Frequently, in my experience, those are Sun transits, and they're they're with Pluto activating them, because it's such a slow, steady, developing transit is going to be building slowly over the next five years. You enter to about 2030 and now you're within that three degree range. Now here's what I think is, is pretty impressive. So we get into that range, 2032 you start getting there. And let me just point this out so you can see, here's Pluto at 15 degrees, you know, right in the range. This is 2032 if we, you know, we'll see Pluto retrograde, go back through the square in 2032 come back through it, direct again by the very end of 2032 so that becomes, you know, a very significant year. The reason that I really like that is I just want to emphasize what's happening later that year in 2033 i So in 2033 you are also going to start getting South Node eclipses forming over your moon. So when the south node, kind of a karmic harvester comes over that planet. Planet that loves freedom, while Pluto is igniting your son in the fifth house, the potential for you to iron out any kinds of issues around freedom and life calling will be simultaneous to one another. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, so that becomes a fantastic year for this kind of theme of like I'm feeling like I'm hitting a creative stride, and I'm also, if there's anything that needs to be purged or released, there's anything immature, outdated that needs to go around that impulse for freedom that's like, let's say childish. You can let it go with the South Node eclipses. But on the other hand, if there's some part of of that freedom that needs to be acknowledged as you're finding or hitting your stride. Well, there's an opportunity for it to be integrated more, either way. What I want to emphasize for everyone listening is I have no idea. I have no idea what's going to happen around this time, but I know that the overlap of that fifth house Sun period with the emphasis on South Node eclipses over the moon, will be a period of time in which creative fulfillment and the need for freedom will be peaking in their expression, in some ways more powerfully than any other stage of his life, because he's in midlife. Right in that midlife is archetypally for ancient astrology, is the period at which these questions of purpose, calling life direction, vocation become most substantive for people. The other thing to consider is that you were born under a balsamic moon. So that balsamic moon in the fourth house as a symbol is often also about the relinquishing of of something, you know, in this case, maybe ancestral, maybe around family, around home, around living environment, and the topic of freedom. So you see, when you get South Node eclipses around a balsamic moon, that moon is so intimately tied to the sun, even though they're in separate houses, because it was a balsamic Moon dying into a new moon. So the simultaneous activation of the sun and the moon is actually phaseally significant, because the two planets are kind of being brought together at the same time, just like they were when you were born. So that's astrology. Now, here's what I want to illustrate for people listening. I've never even seen Kyle's chart before, right? I don't and I just pulled those i I know where to look. I know which transits to look for. I know which, if he's like I want to find a time where freedom and meaningful creative satisfaction in my career come together, and I can identify a problematic planet in the chart track some of its history. I can identify which planet or combinations of planets, being activated at the same time are likely to lead to a shift in circumstance, then I can track out themes, topics and timelines. I guarantee you, from everything I've done over 15 years of astrology and 1000s and 1000s of clients, it will hit 2032, I can promise you these themes and topics that we're talking about probably in ways that are very surprising compared to what we could dream up of right now, but the themes, topic and timelines will not fail. So anyway, Kyle, thank you so much for being a guest. I hope this was, you know, useful for you in addition to being a guinea pig,

yeah, no. Thank you so much. Adam, it's been an honor. I appreciate everything you do here.

Yeah, for sure, man, thank you so much. I'm gonna move on, and I hope you have a great rest of your day. Thank you. Okay, let's see here. Here we go. All right, we're gonna do another one. Kim, hey.

Can you hear me? Hello, yes. Can you hear

me? Yes. So are you, are you already, like, died in the world, believer, or is this, like, Are you a little bit more skeptical? Where? Like, where are you coming from?

I'd say I'm probably 5050, and I've always kind of been interested in this type of format. But, you know, it's like, you can't just go and sit in on other people's readings all the time. So, you know, so and I've never had, well, I had my chart read many, many years ago, and I've since lost it was like, recorded on a cassette tape, yeah, and I don't have it anymore, and I don't even have a way to play it, so I can't even look back at what she was saying. You know now that it's been many years since. So anyway, so I'm, I'm a little bit, I'm, I'm very curious, but I also,

I'm very open. That's to me, that's the best place to be in, because I think, you know, humble, curious, open, skeptical, cautious, those are all certainly traits I really value in friends and people that I love. So, yeah, I appreciate that. What? What is your date of birth?

November 22 1976

Yeah, that's my mom's birthday. Wow. Yeah, that's wild. She's obviously born in the 50s, but yeah, November 22 baby as well. So what is your what do you know the time of birth? 10:11pm, okay, and then the place

Bronx, New York.

Okay, all right, so, Kim, November 22 1976 10:11pm, in the Bronx. Does that sound right? Yes. Okay, great. I'm going to put your chart up on the screen. And what are what do we want to talk about? What's on your mind? What topic could we look at?

I'm very curious about, you know, my personal, I suppose, romantic relationships. It's to me, I'm I feel I've gone through different periods of like wanting to get into a relationship. Excuse me to for growth, personal growth, you know, as a for me, for the other person, and to see, you know, what can blossom from the union, what we can learn from that? And then I've gone through periods where I'm like, I'm just not, I don't think I'm meant to learn my stuff in a positive way, way that's not going to just put me through the ringer and spit me out. So I think I need to just focus on my other, you know, other areas of life that, you know, where I can be, where I can learn and be happy and still connect with people in a very personal way. So I'm kind of teetering in that way. I'm struggling to understand. I don't get me wrong, I there have been some serious learning, you know, learning from from it. But a lot of times it's just, it's very much about learning what not to do, that

kind of thing. So, yeah, yeah, okay. So what I'm going to do is, right away, I know which planet comes to my mind in terms of, like, Oh, what is this? What is the stickler? You know, like, what planet looks like? It could be the one really sort of jabbing you in the ribs with it, with this difficult pattern that you're describing. And you know, there's not just one way of looking at things in charts, but that's how all of this usually begins. So what I'm going to do now is, I am going to put up a buy wheel. We're going to go do the same thing we did. We're going to look to the past. I'm this time. I'm going to kind of hide my cards and not tell you exactly why I'm looking at what I'm looking at, just to have fun a little bit here with everyone watching. But let's go backward. All right. I want to look actually at a sequence of events. And if you if nothing comes to mind with the first part, that's fine. I think the second part probably will. But we're going to look at a sequence of events from the planet Uranus that were recently taking place in your chart, and just kind of see what was happening. First of all, I want to this is Uranus right at your mid heaven. This is in your career house. This would have been building up in 2020 and then Uranus would have kind of constellated around the MC throughout most of 2020 even a little bit of the early part of 2021 through the spring of 21 so I'd like to hear just it might seem unrelated at first, but just like what was happening in your career. I mean, I was in 2020 was a big year for the whole world, I guess. But what was happening 2020 to 2021 around your career?

So in 2020 I was living in my van with my dog, and I was up in Lake Tao. I had gotten in a position to do a sort of paid internship with the Forest Service. I'm a landscape architect, and I've always wanted to do public work, and so I started in January of that year. And, you know, the pandemic happened, all this stuff, and then a permanent position became available on the Angeles National Forest. So my dog was essentially dying at the time, and really struggled with moving him at that time. But it was like, it's kind of my dream job, and I want to stay in California, yada yada. So I moved down to LA, sold my van, moved to LA, took my dog in October of 2020, and then he passed away the end of November, and I was like, in my sort of dream, you know, a dream job, not the dream job, but a dream job, I've finally gotten to California. I've been trying to relocate here permanently for like, 20 years, but I had lost my dog. Was like my everything. So it was bittersweet. And it took me a really long time to just be okay with getting out of bed and, like, you know, moving forward and and really appreciating what was, you know, what was growing after something had died.

Yeah, yeah. So what here's now, just so that I can, like, get I'm going to kind of explain to the audience what I'm doing here, and then Kim will will continue. So first and foremost, what I'm doing right now is I'm looking at a sequence. The problem planet is probably Saturn as the ruler of the marriage house, right? The ruler of the seventh house is a debilitated Saturn right on the ascendant in Leo. So that's probably the problem planet. But what I was actually curious of is, oh, I'm looking back at transits that have happened recently to that Saturn that probably would have been pretty substantive. And I noticed Uranus right away, right? But actually just prior to the square to Uranus, Uranus would have gone over the midheaven. And so sometimes events will come in sequences that are meaningfully connected. Oh, go ahead, Kim, you gotta say something.

Yeah, I'm sorry. Sorry to interrupt you, but I got completely carried away with like all the life changes at the time. So I reconnected with a guy had been dating back in New York in 2018 we broke up, and then he, he landed in California as well, and he was up in the Bay Area, and I, while I was in Lake Tao, we reconnected in the pandemic. And, you know, we started dating again. And then, you know, he really helped me through my my dog passing and and then it just became really clear, like in 2021 I was like, this is not sustainable for a number of reasons. And that's when I, you know, we decided to let go of that. So that was a that was also happening.

You ruined where I was going to take that's next. No, I'm just kidding, but that's exactly what I was trying to do. What I was trying to do is show that there was probably a significant movement in career that would have been closely connected to another event in love. Now, before we I'm going to say some more about that in a second. But the the Uranus at the midheaven that comes first. I want you all who are watching to notice that as Uranus is constellating around the midheaven, Saturn is also opposing that natal Saturn and Saturn and Uranus were squaring one another. So what I was trying to do is build first by telling the career part, and then I thought, in sequence, I'll probably get to the relationship part, you know, just a little bit after it, which does come in 2021 by the way, which is the next timeline. But the the point is that Uranus, right, a God that is an archetype that is fundamentally associated with shakeups, revolution, destabilization of set patterns, routines, habits, anything that breaks us out of monotony or anything habitual and introduces something new and exciting, but also has a disruptive effect as the new thing is coming in. That's that's a hallmark of Uranus as a symbol, tracking it and how it shows up. So it's transiting around a critical degree in her career house. And what happens is there's this huge shake up, revolution, excitement about a dream job, but at the same exact time, there's a loss of an animal, and that animal, from the sounds of it, is something that was a very steady, loyal companion that provided consistency and stability

right now, absolutely the only one in my life right

now. Let's contrast that with the man that enters right this guy enters. You knew Him from before, and he acts as a kind of stabilizing presence during the loss of a cherished stabilizing animal in your life. You see how he kind of is temporarily he's walking you across that bridge, or he's like, maybe also not as fitting as your as your dog was not to be a jerk to him, you know, like you know, he did not end up being the loyal companion you would be with for the rest of your life, right? So what we would anticipate is that a sequence would happen around both love and career simultaneously, just around this period. So does that make sense? Absolutely right? So that's what's incredible about astrology. I can go I know exactly what symbol is speaking to the difficulty around marriage. So there's a logos there, there's a technique, there's you have to know your karmic analytics. And that's, that's what ancient astrology is. Very, very good at modern astrology. If I have any criticism of it, it's that eight out of 10 practitioners, when they hear this, will not be able to come up with accurate predictions and timelines and forecasts because they don't know enough about analyzing the chart itself based on the ancient like analytical language. Once you know that you can be as psychological as subjective you can you can have rich conversation. Like modern tends to be very psychological. You still be psychological, but now you know exactly that the timelines and the analytics are just like more solid. So anyway, you can see that Saturn's the problem. And so the most likely thing with Saturn around the Ascendant is going to be the sequence where, most recently, Saturn opposed Saturn, while Uranus squared Saturn. And we see this overlap between things like revolution in the career versus a more stabilizing force in love, the loss of a companion, the temporary fulfillment with a new companion, but then eventually having to let go of this boyfriend. And now the million dollar question, if you're if you're open to it, what didn't work about it? Like, what was it that just wasn't a match, or maybe even traditionally, within this pattern in relationships? What, what ends up being the issue, if you had to sum it up?

I mean, ultimately, the most important values in our value systems were not really aligned, right? Is that a recurring very different places in our lives as well? I mean, he was 12 years younger than I am, and that was one of the reasons we split up in the beginning, was that he had, he'd wanted to go to grad school and he wanted to do some traveling, because he had, you know, spent his life up till then, a very, you know, methodical convention, you know, do this career and military and, you know, and I was, like, fully supportive of him, you know, Growing, I I'd done a lot of, I'd done a bunch of traveling, and, you know, Sagittarius thing already, and, and I went to grad school late in life, and so I really wanted him to, you know, not miss out on those experiences just because, you know, wouldn't really, it wouldn't have done well for me, necessarily, because I was looking to, I was looking for the adventure of stability, for a change,

interesting, interesting. And that was a contrast from previously, where maybe freedom was more important. Yeah.

I mean, I still struggle with that. But, you know, I was like, I wanted to give it a shot. I wanted to give one place, one job, a shot for a while.

So in relationships, historically, would you say that the main issue, maybe, up until more recently, like this, has been the need for movement and freedom, and feel ending up feeling like stuck or restricted or something, is that,

yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's really it was like the first time it was sort of flipped, yeah. So, yeah, absolutely.

Okay. So this is perfect, right? Because what we would anticipate from a planet like Uranus, and let me just turn off some notifications, what we would anticipate from a planet like Uranus is the power of the planet to disturb the status quo of how another planet's archetypal nature is expressing itself. So Uranus to Saturn tends to show up in terms of like, if Saturn on the ascendant tends to be, I am, I am an island to myself, right? And if you think of the marriage house ruler, is Saturn on the ascendant, how you might feel about someone else. Could be, for example, you're trying to control me, you're trying to oppress me, you're trying to limit me, you're trying you think that you're more important than me. Any of those things would be very common for Saturn ruling the marriage house to be in Leo on the ascendant. Or it could be, you know, there could be another archetypal variant where you maybe you end up being, I don't see this in you, by the way, at all, but you know, maybe you end up being the one who's like, bullying or domineering all of your partners, or something. That could be another version of it, but it sounds more like the opposite of like, I just want to be free. You're cramping my style, you're so when might that pattern change? It's when meaningful transits hit Saturn and say, open your heart. It's no one's trying to control you or, you know, it's like a different stream of conscious. It comes in and it says, like, I maybe, maybe I need to open myself, right? So isn't it interesting that as Uranus, this God of Rev. Solution is hitting your Saturn. You lose your dog, someone else comes in. You're thinking about a loyal companion, like the love that you had with your dog, which is very pure, by the way, I think that's really beautiful. And so this person wasn't able to exactly fulfill that, but you see how it introduces a new theme and a new possibility. So when I see that as a practitioner, what I think of based on everything I know about karma, that ancient astrology said, you're really on a new timeline now, because Saturn's not the same Saturn that it used to be. You're not, in other words, the same person that you used to be. There was something that happened around the loss of your dog, the finding of this job, the opening of yourself to commitment. Maybe all of those iterations weren't the final ones, but they opened something. And now you're living in a new timeline where that openness is permeating the field of possibilities. And so that, first and foremost, to me, is very hopeful, very exciting. Now, if we take this forward just a little bit, what I want to do, of course, is find a future timeline. So let me just say that I don't know, with someone who has five planets in Sagittarius, if you're I think you're always going to have some need for freedom, because that's a very Sagittarian theme. The fifth house Sagittarius in particular, you really need to feel like you can live through the sparkly guidance of your own internal compass and freedom and your convictions and sense of, like, life being like an open plane, you can roam about like a horse, very important, right? You can't, like, take that away from you, which is why, you know, in a way, it's kind of like, well, you know, maybe the love soul mate is another dog, you know, I'm kidding,

but that's okay.

Ultimately, I don't know. But when I do think about that transit along with approaching transits, I get excited for you, because here's what I see. I starting in September of next year, the north node of the moon, which tends to bring in new experiences, moves into your marriage house. It starts. You're going to see eclipses starting to form in that seventh house. Now I want to draw your attention to something that I think is pretty cool. So we're going to get the sun into Aquarius so that we can show you the solar eclipse. So here's a solar eclipse that's occurring right around the north node of the moon, and it's happening in February of 2027 Can you see that right there? Yes, let me actually. Let me draw it a little neater. Now, here's what I want you to notice. The solar eclipses like this, and there will be more. Are going to probably start bringing new opportunities for relationships into your life, maybe multiple maybe one special one, but that's what's going to get stimulated most likely. The meantime, I want you to notice that over the years to come, Pluto is going to be slowly working its way into an opposition with that Saturn from the house of marriage. What the image that comes to my mind when I consider that, given everything we've discussed today, is the process of gradually, kind of cracking open the heart more and more to something deep and profound. It doesn't have to be tidy, it doesn't have to be perfect, but I think it's going to speak to the ability to love and be seen and held and hold at a deeper level with other souls, if not a special soul. So I'm That, to me, is really exciting. Here's the other thing. While that Eclipse is occurring, what I want you to notice is there's two other things that are happening. They're little things, but they can really augment you. Have a Venus return that's happening, and Jupiter is trine to your moon from the first house. The reason that that's important is that all of those things tend to speak together to kind of heart opening moments. So it would not be surprising to me, as an astrologer, if you were finding a new relationship opportunity by the early part of 2027 maybe, say the first half, from like February onward. Now, there are many possibilities that go beyond the scope of of that right, because they're archetypes. They can express in many different ways, but relationships as a theme and topic for sure, and I have to believe, given that Uranus transit, that your, your heart and your your life is in a different place, right, than it, than it was because of the kind of opening that occurred. So I think you're going to find a very different quality of relationship with those eclipses coming in.

Thank. You so much. I really appreciate

it. Yeah, you bet. And thank you for letting me demo and kind of talk shop as I went through it. It's really helpful. It's great. Thank you. Yeah, okay, well, have a great rest of your day. Thanks, Kim. Bye, okay. I am out of gas, out of time, so I'm going to say thank you so much to everyone for joining me, and I super am sorry that I couldn't get to everyone. Thank you guys for waiting quietly in the studio. I know some of you weren't able to get on. What I'd like to do now is say just like two more things, and then I want to open to any questions you have, just kind of an open Q and A for a couple minutes. So first of all, what I want you to notice is when she came in, she said relationships, she brought context to the Oracle, not me, but to some greater intelligence that she was open enough to submit herself to and open herself to what then proceeds is not some kind of perfect, objective scientific description or outlining of causal powers. It's more like a spiritual counseling session with symbolic, symbolic symbols that are used to guide that process and timelines that mysteriously and magically, although similarly symbolically, will play out. They don't always play out in exactly the ways you predict. But I promise you, come February of 2000 whatever it was, was 27 was it 26 when that eclipse happens, that we were just looking at, given the context of the other planets transiting, the context of where her life is at relative to the pattern that she began describing, you're going to see a shift in relationships occur that I have no doubt about how exactly it will look or play out. Beats me. You know, the ability that an astrologer has to identify the correct symbols is hugely important. Every context usually demands a specific symbol be unpacked, or that one symbol in the chart or one aspect in the chart will will be most important or most pertinent to the inquiry. Most of the time, people don't learn this because they never study classical astrology. They study modern astrology. And in modern astrology, anything and everything is just a bunch of psychological impressions. It's like, well, this makes you like this, or this makes you like that. And sometimes people will be able to identify the correct, let's call it karmic significator, but often they won't be able to, because they're you don't ever learn like the the delineation logic that ancient logic, that ancient astrology, it's like a grammar or a dialect, and you have to, you have to learn it, and then once you identify the symbol, then you can track meaningful events and timelines in life relative to the pattern the symbol represents. So there's a lot of things that prevent people from understanding what astrology is and how it works that are really not too complicated to explain. Like most of you probably got a lot of it just listening to this two hour talk today. But in application, it takes a sensitivity, it takes artistry. It takes years of developing your practice to be able to do these things and know which symbols to focus on, and how and which techniques, timing wise, to use, and so forth. So this is why we can't use simple, simple tests. And it's also why at the end of the day, if you see an approach like this, you understand, oh, this is like, it has this sense of of, or there's an oracular medium that's that's present in something like this. It's so rooted in talking and conversation and image. You notice how, when I was talking to her and I was breaking down that timeline, her hand shot up in the air, and she was like, oh, it's because as I was explaining the interaction of symbols, she was able to remember the sequence of events that I was starting to describe before she even had the chance to do what I mean, like she, she jumped in and filled in the rest of the timeline before I could even perfectly outline it. And that's what I was just about to do. That's, that's what we mean by divination. There's, there's something very alive and electric. It's been described as radicality. It's a word that's been used to describe when you're in a session and there's a charge that starts allowing some some greater awareness, to flow through in the same way that musicians or artists get get into a flow state. It's really hard to represent that in testing. You know what that. Is and how that's working. So anyway, I'm happy to take questions. If you guys have any questions about me, about astrology, you know, whatever, feel free to drop something into the comment section, and I will be happy to just take a few questions before we sign off for the day. And again, thank you so much to our guests today who came on and allowed us to have some fun, and hopefully, if nothing else, like anyone who's skeptical, it's like, hey, you know, it's hard to not respect astrology when you see some of these very beautiful, vivid demonstrations of timing and and topics and themes and so forth. All right? You

let's see Katie says, I'm just happy to catch you live and see your face. Thanks, Katie. I appreciate that. That made me feel really good. What do you look what do you look at for life purpose in a birth chart? Well, to me, that is a major misconception, right? So think, think about it like this. Remember how we were saying that in astrology, everything is oracular and divinatory. Questions about life purpose are asked for different reasons and require different answers in different situations. So to think that there's one purpose to life that the birth chart contains objectively is a big mistake. It if someone sits down, they go, what's my purpose? I'll ask, Well, what do you mean? Well, what am I supposed to do for a living? Oh, okay, you mean, what's your career like? What you're talking about, vocation, what's my purpose? In terms of what are some of the deepest psychological growth lessons of my lifetime? Is a different kind of question about purpose. So there are many different reasons that people have for asking about purpose, and lots of different purposes, and so specificity is important. Anytime someone says, What's my purpose in a birth chart, I honestly, I just kind of want to gag, because I'm like, come on, life doesn't have one purpose. It's, you know, just like it doesn't have one person or one color. So we have to be, we're, we're so monotheistic about everything. You know, a purpose is a monotheistic God we worship. I have a backward let's go to

here we go. So

I hope that helps. Anyway. How many of the sessions go into some counseling? It seems to me that there can be a lot of sensitive topics that come up in a reading. Well, I would say most have some element of counseling, but I'm really not much of a counseling astrologer. As you can see from what I just did, there wasn't a lot of like, here's what you ought to do, or advice being given. There's an element of counseling, of count, like sensitivity and listening and holding space and empathy and compassion. Those are vital. But I think good astrology is more about creating a space within which meaningful reflection can happen, rather than specific guidance and counseling, unless you have therapeutic training, but like my third year program is really all about symbolic listening, which is different than counseling, and I talk about that at length in my third year program. So yeah, I think you might, you might like that if you come through study with

us, let's see. I

You talk about yourself, Adam your own chart? No, no. I mean, I have a birth chart and I am a soul, and apparently my birth chart says that I will love learning and spirituality and astrology and that I'm very like every I have had a lot of like practices in my life, like, I'm a very disciplined person who likes doing the same thing over and over. Like, whether it's like. Practicing an instrument or working out, or prayer meditation like so it also, you know, my birth chart also tells me that I'm sort of a mild asshole. Oh, I don't know. So that's it. So when you're an astrologer, it shows in your chart, you kind of just accept your fate. Oh, I don't know. I mean, I honestly don't know. I think there are, you know, sometimes when you see astrologers charts, there's some areas of symbolism that are, are like, kind of like textbook, and you go, Oh, well, of course, you know, like, I have an eclipsing I was born under in a lunar eclipse in the ninth house of astrology. You know, religion, spirituality. I grew up a preacher's kid, and my faith went through an eclipsing, and I found astrology in the process. It literally came to astrology when I was going through recurring eclipses in the in the same sign and house that I was born under, ninth house of astrology, eclipses recurred when I was, you know, 2728 years old, and that was when I started professional astrology. So in my case, it stands out. But, you know, some charts are more obvious than others when it comes to the career path, I swear to God, like, you know, like, if you look at 100 actors charts, you're going to see the path of acting or art or performance or theater show up in, you know, so many different ways. Astrology is, is not super formulaic in that sense. And that's why it's also very important not to try to make it into something that's

like that. Let's see. How is it possible to combine Hellenistic whole houses with placidian houses? Well, I actually wouldn't recommend it. Most people will try to combine them before really deeply understanding the entire logic and rationale of ancient astrology, which all takes place in a whole sign paradigm. Whole sign houses are not just houses. It's an entire logic. It's an entire part of the language that you it's not just as simple as being like one house system versus another, which is a hallmark of modern house systems, like, well, which house system do you use? But in ancient astrology, there was no which house system do you use, and the entire philosophical language is rooted in a whole sign house way of seeing all of astrology, not just houses. So it's really important to learn that, and then after you've learned it, and integrated the whole sign house paradigm, not just a house system, but a paradigm, philosophically, then you can see how it may or may not coexist with a quadrant based form of house division. But I can promise you that until you've done that, you there's going to be no meaningful way of discerning the differences or whether they're compatible or not.

Let's see here.

Um,

I'm looking through your questions. So nice to be hanging out with all of you guys. Sam says, I always learn so much when I hop on your streams. Thank you. Thank you that that's great to hear. Kyle, I've got so many dates to go back to look at now with this newfound knowledge, that's exciting. Thanks, Kyle, so thanks for coming on again. How does Hellenistic astrology differ from Vedic well, they're actually more similar than they are different. The Vedic Astrology is, you know, 1000s of years of textual tradition blended with scriptural tradition from the Vettius. So it's quite a bit richer and denser than Hellenistic, because we have, you know, a handful of Hellenistic sources, whereas in India, you know, you've got, you know, 2000 years of cultural, religious scriptural coherence with astrology. So Vedic Astrology, in some ways, is like it's a whole world, and I have a lot of respect for it, but for the most part, the roots are very similar to Hellenistic. Conceptually, there's lots of meaningful differences. There's lots of things that techniques and so forth that exist in beta that are not in Hellenistic and vice versa, but they pretty much share the same root system, and we know that they do historically as well. What do you think about relocated charts? Do you use them? Yeah, I don't personally use relocated charts. Charts. But here's what I'll tell you, along the lines of everything I ever say, right is that it's not about getting a more objective chart. Relocating your chart is symbolic. So if you relocate your chart, think about it as an ingredient ritualistically in your relationship with the oracle that you're experimenting with. You arrange your candles on the altar in a different pattern, you say a different kind of prayer, you burn a different kind of incense. All of those manipulations of ritual element are so important and so beautiful, and having nuances like that is what makes the tapestry of your practice come alive. So I highly recommend people have that depth and texture to their practice, but don't make the mistake of thinking that a relocated chart is more objectively accurate, because that is the kind of thinking that makes all of us look Bad. Let's see here, both chart holders were excellent natal chart and transit examples. Today, you're rocking it Adam well. Thank you that that's great to hear. I just hope that if any people who are you know more on the skeptical side, watch this, that they got to see something that they could wrap their head around a little bit more that you know, it's like the themes, topics and timelines, the multi Valens, the archetypal nature of it, could be a little bit more accessible.

Let's see. Well, I think I'm going to look, I'm going to scroll down and see if there's any new questions. Hmm. Adam, what do you think about remediation in astrology? Well, I will tell you I believe that I take my advice straight from the Vedic tradition the I'm giving a talk, actually, in early 2026 on the easiest, most common sense, practical ways to remediate difficult karma. What do we mean by difficult karma? Just call it Life patterns that we find exhausting, draining, that are, you know, like we, that we suffer with. How do you remediate those things? It is 10 times more effective to do common sense, practical things, to remediate difficult karma than it is to get the right gemstone or the right plant or and all those things can help. I'm I love gemstones. Got a bunch of my altar. My wife is, is an herbalist. Use plants all the time. Ayahuasca is a great medicine that was great remediator of difficult karma. I'm not against remediation in any way, shape or form, but what did ayahuasca, this remediating plant medicine, tell me most clearly, most vividly, what has made the biggest impact on my life from ayahuasca, in terms of remediating difficult karma, it was the basic insights that it gave me, like this. Let me give you some examples. Drink water. Don't drink soda. Eat healthy, organic, Whole Foods. Moderate your portions. Get enough sleep, exercise. Spend time for quiet, reflection, contemplation, prayer every day for at least, you know, 10 minutes. I mean, I've had much lengthier practices. But be a good person. Work on yourself. Have a conversation with a therapist regularly. Go to a 12 step group for issues, ongoing issues with addiction. When I came back from Ayahuasca in my early 20s, it's like really common sense stuff that people get way too complicated about, like, if you want to turn your life around, fucking take care of yourself. That's what the plant medicine told me, I kid you not. It was like, that simple. That's my Capricorn Moon sense of humor, you know. But it's true. It's like, and I don't pretend to know what that means for every person. So don't get me wrong, I'm trying to be prescriptive, but it's like, it is as simple as, like, if you want to remediate bad karma. Take care of your health. Take care of your psychology. Take care of your take care of your relationships. Take care of what you're putting into your mind and body. Like, if you do those things, you add good stuff and take away some bad stuff, even in small amounts. Man, this thing do things get better. We don't need a gemstone for that. You know, although gemstones can also be great, like add them along with it. But what do you think you're gonna get out of a gemstone if you are drinking Coca Cola, 24/7, and not drinking enough water, the caffeine, the corn syrup, that's gonna jack you up, far more than a gemstone can help you with. You know what I mean? Like gemstones are being used, if you think about it, by cultures and people whose basic, everyday existence, in some ways, their worlds were messed up compared to ours. So it's not like I think everything in the past was better, but by and large, like people are really unhealthy now, compared to how many traditions and cultures around the planet have lived. I'm talking about basic things. Like nourishment and food and everyday, like, like, bio rhythms, like, you know, we're, we're troubled, right? We have, like, addictive substances in almost all of our food right now. So if we just get a little healthier, it's amazing how many positive things just flood in and all of a sudden difficult karma is just remediated. You know, that's all I'm that's all I'm saying. And I don't try to be such a cynical dick about it, but it is kind of funny, how simple it can be.

Okay?

I like it. It's not even funny at this point. It's common sense. I know what you mean, you know. So on that note, I want to briefly promote our programs. If you guys were like, Man, this was my jam today. I like the philosophy, I like the technique, I like the live readings. This is like a little much more disorganized, unstructured microcosm of our programs. At Nightlight on November 8, we have our first year course in ancient Hellenistic astrology. Beginning again, we have had 1000s and 1000s of students over 16 years now go through our courses. It is really, it's what I'm best at teaching and demonstrating how to do astrology. It like even I'm a good reader. I think I'm, you know, decent, you know, I'm a veteran at this point, I guess. And like you've seen me read and, you know, I think obviously giving and having a full hour with someone can be a lot more substantive, and when it's private, it's a different dynamic. 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There's a forum discussion where you can ask questions staffed with tutors who answer within a business day. There's a ton of bonus material, supplemental material, if you like Nightlight, you can move on to year three, which is where we develop divinatory counseling skills. And what specifically is divinatory counseling, because it's not the same as therapeutic counseling, although clearly there are many great astrologers who have therapeutic background and can do that too, but divinatory counseling is a specific thing that we teach. In year three, all throughout our programs, we have live clients, live clients, live clients, practice sessions. So we work on charts together. We have live people come in and you see me give a full hour reading to someone, and then we break down the craft. We do all of this kind of stuff together. The fourth year program is an annual retreat that we are hosting. Today is the last day of the early bird rate. It is called the Oracle within and it is about how to develop that more intuitive artistic connection with the oracle that exists in relation to, but apart from the technical side. So this retreat that we're taking to Mexico next June. We have about 20 some spots left. Last day of the early bird is today. You can find that on the website as well, and that retreat is dedicated to, how do I become something of a medium for the voice of the Oracle? How does that actually happen? Because nobody talks about that, and it's really important that we be honest about I mean, skeptics don't like astrology in a way, because they think we're claiming it to be a science, but if we're not, we're saying it's divination, and we ought to be honest about how you actually cultivate divinatory capacity. What is that? It's not the same as being psychic. It's something else. So we talk about that in the year four training program, which will now be hosted annually as a retreat, and then, because for me, that one is very important, that it be experiential and in person. And then we have a horary program, which is a separate, very specific predictive branch of astrology that I teach as a specialty class for a year. So that's five years of curriculum that we have. Then we have a yearly Master Class series. Every year I teach on something very specific, 2026, I'll be teaching on the decans. So we'll be having 12 classes, three per season, that walk us two to three hours through all of the decans. If you don't know what that is, that's a that's why they're called masterclass, like intermediate topics in astrology that fall outside the scope of our major curriculum. There's a whole archive of master classes on the website. Every month, I host a monthly webinar. So if you are someone who just wants to pop in for a random class, all sorts of fun subjects that fill up the monthly calendar once monthly, there's a webinar you can attend. We will also, in 2026 be starting a guild membership, which is meetings around new and full moons for alumni or currently enrolled students who simply want more time for live client work and practice work on charts. So those sessions will be devoted to being like, okay, tonight, I'm going to have a client come in. I'm going to demo with this client. With this client, Zodiacal releasing. I'm going to have a client come in, I'm going to demo a horary reading, or we're going to have a practice session where you bring charts in. So the guild meeting is a space that we're opening up because there's a lot of need in the Nightlight school community for further engagement, for learning and practice. So that'll open up in 26 so anyway, it's a it's a really vibrant educational community, I promise you, if you like my YouTube content, this is next level compared to anything I present on YouTube. Even though I love the YouTube stuff, YouTube is really for me, meant to be a bridge for people who want regular, spiritual astrological content, and then perhaps for people who want to go deeper with within the school. Thank you guys for letting me speak to all of these things. Let me just show you where you can find all of this stuff. You go over to Nightlight astrology.com Let me just put it up on the screen. Go over to Nightlight astrology.com click on courses. Go to the first year course. You can learn more about it there. There's a video describing the course here as well. At the bottom, you'll find the early bird sale rates and then that need based tuition assistance. So if you're someone who wants to study but needs a little help, please use the need based tuition we want to make sure that astrology is accessible for people. All the other courses are listed here. Go to events. Click on immersive retreat. Today is the last day to join the Oracle within retreat in Mexico, next June, at the early bird rate. Otherwise, the other thing that I'm excited about is if you go to Silent Sundays under events starting October 26 I will be hosting a once monthly meet up for quiet community meditation. We'll be getting together for half an hour of silence once monthly, because it's my belief that people who study astrology will greatly benefic from adding more regular enhancing self care practices into our lives. I've been including My Altars like what's on my altar on Mondays. This is similar in. Attention to like I've seen a lot of people be inspired to start altar practices because of that. Here's what's on my altar segment. So this is also a way for people to bring meditation, prayer, quiet time, no doc, Trine, no dogma, no beliefs around it. We're just literally getting together to practice quiet

if that's valuable to you, it's free. You can just click on the link. It's there on the website. I hope you guys will use it and find it of benefic Okay, that's That's it. Thank you all for being here today. I really appreciate it. I am now going to the gym to release all of the stress of sitting here and talking for two hours and 40 minutes, and I hope you guys do whatever you need to do as well if you've been sitting for a long time. So have a great day, everyone. It was good to hang out with you all. Bye.