The Soul Level Lessons of Jupiter Opposite Pluto

Hey everyone. This is Adam Elenbaas from Nightlight Astrology [https://nightlightastrology.com/].

Happy Sunday, everybody. Got a special bonus episode cooked up for all of you today. I'm going to be speaking with my friend and colleague, Ari Moshe Wolf, an evolutionary astrologer, on the upcoming Jupiter-Pluto opposition that is taking place in July and is easily one of the biggest transits of the year.

There's been a lot of big transits this year, but I think some of us might be sleeping on Jupiter opposite Pluto. These are two slow-moving planets, two titans in the ancient mythological world, and their meeting from an evolutionary perspective is also really fascinating.

It is not my specialty, although I sort of started as an evolutionary astrologer, but Ari is, I think, very wise and has a lot of really insightful things to say, so I'm really excited to interview him today, and just ask him for his thoughts on the evolutionary perspective of Jupiter opposite Pluto, which I'm hoping will really give us all a lot of insight when it comes to working with this transit over the summer, that's what we're going to do for today.

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So, anyway, on that note, I'm really glad to bring back Ari to talk with me about Jupiter Pluto. Hey Ari, hey there, Adam. I'm so glad that you're back. It's been a little bit since we've collaborated, but the intentions always been there to keep reconnecting since we started doing this, maybe, maybe like a year ago now.

Yeah, yeah. So, well, what I want to do in this episode is just briefly on the screen I'm going to outline the Jupiter Pluto timeline for people, and then I want to ask for your insights about this from an evolutionary perspective, and I'm going to kind of, I have some questions that I think will help guide us through, sort of piece by piece, putting together, putting the transit and its evolutionary signatures together. Does that sound okay?

Sounds good. Yeah. All right, let's put this chart up on the screen. This is the, this is the Chepso software, and it's a great program, by the way. You can find the affiliate link. People ask me about it, so you can find the affiliate link if you want to discount on the program in the comment section or the description of the video. I'm the Chepsco Curious.

Yeah, it's a great program. It's really cool, and the thing I like most about it is that you know, as people are starting to invest a lot of money into the astrology industry, and AI is starting to infiltrate the software. It's really good to have astrologers leading that conversation, and who are concerned with ethical ways of incorporating AI into the software, which is eventually coming within Cheps, so that don't utilize data centers and things like that, so I'm, I'm really hopeful that this will be a good direction for us to go in, and I know that people creating it know where their hearts are at, that matters to me.

But, yeah, anyway, so okay, so here's the timeline, we can see I'm just moving this along to get to the exact opposition. The two planets enter the opposition almost exactly on july 18, and then we're going to take this forward a day. They're getting closer on july 19, or at the same degree, and they cross between july 19 and the 20th through the exact opposition.

If we give it about three degrees of separation, which is the Hellenistic rule of thumb. Then they're separating all the way till the end of July. If you give it about three degrees of approach, it's about the beginning of July. So July sort of is the month of Jupiter opposite Pluto.

There's other things going on in the background, I'm sure we could easily talk about, like Uranus, Pluto trining one another at the same time that Jupiter creates a little sextile at the same time that Neptune is creating a little sextile. It's a huge configuration.

We're going to sort of put Jupiter Pluto in a vacuum today just to focus on soul dynamics, I guess you could say of this particular transit, but that's that's the timeline. The 18th, 19th are very, is a very powerful moment in the month for the exact configuration, but the other thing I want to mention is that there's another really powerful moment that activates the opposition, and that is the full moon that's taking place right around july 29 in Aquarius, that full moon will be almost.

Exactly, I think it is pretty much exactly conjoined Pluto. It's very close, so that full moon will be about two degrees off from Pluto, but it's also taking place the full moon in Aquarius on july 29 at the same time that the sun is conjoining Jupiter in Leo, which we call a cazimi in traditional astrology. So really, there's quite a lot going on there.

Was just start by asking you, I think what will work best is if we start with Pluto, because Pluto is a cornerstone piece of evolutionary symbolism and philosophy essential to the philosophy, and because Jupiter is opposing Pluto, maybe we could start for people in the audience who aren't really familiar with the kind of evolutionary principle of what Pluto represents, tell us a little bit about that, and then we can move to what role does Jupiter play in the evolutionary philosophy, and then we can talk about the opposition and maybe add in the signs. Does that sound like a good order?

Yeah, sounds great. All right, so tell us about Pluto. What do we need to know about Pluto, for starters? So, bottom line, if we're looking at Pluto Netaly or in transit, it speaks to the nature of desire. You can think of this entire earth journey, this entire evolutionary journey on earth as one where we're we're entering into experience, and these experiences will be interacting with kind of marrying and coming very closely to our deeper internal soul program, we all want something.

We're all here because we want something, and just like the basic premise around wanting something is we're all have desires, you know? It might be like, I want that next lover, I want to make more money, I want to be liked, and you know our inner desire nature is predominantly unconscious, so we're not necessarily walking around like as a soul. I've come into this world to play out and explore these particular desires, for you know, so you can really understand the nature of Pluto natally from that perspective.

And transit-wise, it really speaks to where that evolutionary process is occurring, where we're entering into experience, and like, I like to think of it as marrying life, like fully committing to the stage of our experience in life, like the caterpillar will just be fully in that caterpillar phase, playing out that journey, but there comes a point where whatever desires we're working out, there comes a stage where that is no longer useful or relevant to our ongoing growth, so there's always a process of exhausting existing desires, so you can think of it as like an ongoing journey of generating an exhausting desire, so once we are engaging with a particular desire dynamic, and it might be, you know, we've gone as far as we can within the context of whatever it is we've developed or become in our life.

Strong Pluto dynamics are going to say there's an evolutionary gateway where change has to happen. That change can happen because, you know, we've internally realized I need, I need to grow. I need to let go of maybe this served me. Maybe I grew a lot from that. I fulfilled some of my desires, but now I'm limited by it.

That's an interesting part of Pluto. We become entrapped as well by anything that we're wanting, so you know the moment it becomes a being possessed, or we lose our agency often, that it's no longer empowering, but it can be empowering to realize I'm going to make more money, I'm going to find the relationship, you know, all the things that we focus our energy towards, but the moment that becomes an entanglement of our own soul, of our life force energy, we're no longer growing, so we might have a moment in a Pluto transit where we realize, okay, it's time to either I'm going to go for this new thing, I'm going to generate this new desire, and that's going to support me to evolve and grow and learn more, or I'm going to have to let go of something that is not working anymore, or to find a deeper seed of power, I'm going to have to embrace the total impersonalness of life experience that is not going to give me what I want, like the evolutionary intelligence, so to speak, is not necessarily going to conform to what I am demanding and what I need everything to look like and be and work out for me right now, just we're going to be frustrated, so that's one possibility of a political transit, and I would just add that fundamentally it's about being in cooperation with the evolutionary process.

So, while desire is sort of the bottom line, nothing that we get really fulfills us forever, and so wherever we are at in that journey with whatever we're working at, whether we're generating a desire for something new or exhausting it, we have to engage with that process, because ultimately the the awakening that we're on, the journey of awakening isn't about getting more of what we want, it's ultimately about moving through the. Whole process, and each one of us progressively focusing our desire towards the truth, our eternal self.

That's like knowing who am I that doesn't come and go, what is true about me, what do I already have, what is essential to my own nature, and you know the 1000 ways to describe that. So, Jeffrey Wolf Green described the evolutionary journey as the gradual journey of exhausting all desire until the only desire that remains is the desire to unite or to know our oneness with the source, and so when we have released on Pluto transits, we just got to really tune into what's the next step along this journey, it's going to look very differently for everyone, but ultimately we have to completely give ourselves to the evolutionary process, and it ultimately it's an elimination journey and elimination journey, but sometimes that looks like getting bigger, or you know, getting really into certain things, so

wow, and so, because I remember a spiritual teacher of mine in the Bhakti yoga tradition saying that very few of us are having the evolutionary disposition in this lifetime to leave all desires behind and say, enter an ashram or a monastery that preemptively trying to do that before naturally desiring to commit one's life to being more dedicated to source consciousness. Let's say, did you can't preempt that? You have to follow your desires, have to be the pathway that you come to the desire for only that connection with source, beautiful. It has to be authentic. I'm glad you said that, because whatever we literally, whatever we avoid, like you know, the monk in the cave that finally has their peace of mind to focus only on God, but like in their heart is like this underlying resentment for the tumultuousness and loudness of city life, right? Like, there's there's an aversion, and like, wherever we have those cravings and aversions, like, we're going to have to, one way or another, doesn't mean we have to play with experience necessarily, like everything has to be met with total honesty, and Pluto is like permeating, it's thorough, it wants to get into every everything that's there, any element of separation, anything that we're holding on to ultimately need to be revealed, and so we can depend on Pluto transits when Pluto's really activated, which it's getting into right now, as times where really we're just going to be facing the possibility of more thoroughly connecting with our own soul program, and really, what is here to be looked at right now?

Yeah, I appreciate. When I was younger, I think my Pluto experiences, let's call them Pluto transits, and so forth, they seem to be so total and so I will honestly say they felt a little destructive, but I also recognize that, that as I have aged, and I think my relationship with Pluto has deepened, and I've been willing, not fully willing, but like a little willing to do some of the evolutionary homework that Pluto's given me. I'm thinking in particular of Pluto conjoining my moon, opposing my sun.

I feel like Pluto has been a little gentler. It's like there's a lot here, but we're gonna, we're going to work on a piece of this desire and exhausting it, don't worry, you won't have to exhaust all of it at once, and I just feel like it's worth saying that, because sometimes I think people get really afraid of Pluto transits, like it is going to uproot everything in your life and be so completely destructive, and I feel like the transits are, were a little bit more dramatic for me in my 20s and 30s than they are in my 40s, although anything could happen, but I think part of that is also because as we're willing to allow Pluto to do its work, and you can kind of like we can be really honest with ourselves and see, like, okay, I've got layers and layers of stuff, and the more aware I am of that, the more patient I am about that with myself, the more that Pluto seems to give me a little bit more manageable work. If that makes sense,

I love that it's beautiful. I can identify that for myself as well. It feels more intense and more like all-encompassing, but honestly, it's like my children have that experience, you know, like when they're not going to get something that they want, it is all encompassing and intense, like full on. The more we become sort of seated in an equanimity and an okayness with change in the recognition that there's very little that we can control and in the recognition that funds and. Usually it's about evolving, and fundamentally it's actually for our good.

Yeah, there's a little more availability and sort of open-mindedness and patience with the process, and also sort of a bowing to what may be. Yes, yeah, that's really well said. So, when we think about Jupiter, let's switch over to the other side of the opposition, what role does Jupiter play in the evolutionary theory? I mean, we can point to things like expansion, and you know, all the Jupiter keywords, but I know that Jupiter plays a very specific role in terms of how we think about the evolution of the soul in the EA paradigm,

so we can think of Jupiter as just like the meaning making mechanism within consciousness, so we're all looking to understand ourselves within some kind of cosmological framework, and I like to say you can't not do that, even if it's like I don't think it all matters, I don't, I don't think there's any meaning, there's a cosmology right there, so we all have some kind of cosmological framework that allows us to interpret and make sense out of our, you know, phenomenal existence here, so it's how we're interpreting and coming to understand the greater intuitive meaning, meaning how we understand the nature of reality itself, reality itself being Neptune, right, like the Dao that can't be spoken, but then the Jupiter is the Tao that's spoken.

It's how we're understanding and coming to, you know, that's one level. And the other level of Jupiter says, like, thus inherent in life is the possibility for those keywords ongoing expansion and growth, more opportunity, but it's rooted in the idea that there's more to see, there's always more insight, there's more realization that can be had.

That realization can be oriented in a sort of philosophical, spiritual, cosmological, or religious way, but it could also be about, you know, how to earn friends and influence people, how to make more money, where we can understand the Tao of something, where we can understand the nature of reality in any area of life, so there's insight, there's wisdom, and thus there are opportunities that can come, oftentimes with Jupiter, and this is a key piece that I think is often missed.

Actually, there's a great need to release, to let go, because in that letting go, we, it's like the thumb over the eye that blocks the whole sky, we become available to see so much more of the truth, but sometimes there's like a situation in our life, or a circumstance, or a job, or a relationship, or a fixation, or you know, something that's kind of keeping us from seeing more clearly. So, a big function of Jupiter is both the letting go or the losing of something.

Honestly, I've seen examples of Jupiter. I'm sure you have too, where it's like that's that's that was a Jupiter transit that was pretty intense, like the losses that happened, oftentimes a loss, or you know, just having sort of the intuitive sense of I gotta go and risk it and move on from something and take a leap of faith, so to speak. So, yeah, I like to think of Jupiter as a pilgrimage, so we want to have that orientation of life as a pilgrimage, and we're always at the threshold of the next realization, but we really can't predict it.

It's like I'm available and I'm open to the goodness and the journey and whatever it's going to bring. Yeah, that's interesting. I think even in the Hellenistic tradition, there are echoes of the same exact meanings, and in Indian astrology, Jupiter's often called the guru. I think about in ancient astrology, Jupiter would be the legal system, the courts, the different forms of government, the different educational institutions, yeah, and but what's interesting is that those things are always evolving, and actually some of those would be mapped for ancient astrologers onto the Jupiter Saturn cycle, right?

So you would have whether it's religious institutions, paradigms within them, like the astronomical paradigm or the scientific revolution, enlightenment period, all these different paradigm changes within certain fields of knowledge would all be constituting around Jupiter, but also constantly evolving as what is exactly what you were saying, is more truth is perceived, the paradigm expands, and I think it's really interesting that a lot of the times we, we think of Saturn as the container, the structure, but Jupiter and Saturn, for ancients, work together on structures in so far as there would always be some kind of coherent sense of meaning that a structure should ideally be representing, so Jupiter would be, for example, the principles of democracy, and then you need actual structures to hold that meaning, the cycles would.

Often evolve the institutions and the paradigms together. Anyway, that's just to say that I think what you're saying around the transits often being difficult were for Jupiter is so spot on. There was a book that was just recently written by Liz Green called By Jove, and it's all about Jupiter, and she discusses Jupiter in relation to the philosophical study of teleology, which means the reason that something comes to be what it is, or what it's intended to be, or the meaning that is behind something, or within something, kind of like the acorn to the oak tree, there's a sense of a purpose that something serves, and a meaning, and stuff like that, but to me, a lot of my intense Jupiter transits have been some of the times where my understanding has grown most rapidly, and I've been sort of most breath taken by, like, how beautiful the understanding is that it's grown in me, but those experiences have been difficult at times.

Yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's all, all just to all just to dovetail off from what you were saying. But so when Jupiter comes into opposition with Pluto, tell us a little bit about what that combination looks like. I mean, dovetailing on the idea of Jupiter often being lost. I mean, so okay, to speak in general to a Jupiter-Pluto opposition, we can look at it from the perspective of there needs to be an evolution of how we understand our life, so it's going to highlight, on the one hand, any limiting belief systems, perspectives, dogmas, or attitudes about our life.

So Jupiter can be highly pessimistic, highly pessimistic, and basically any attitude or belief system, right? Right. And the dogma of Jupiter is basically this orientation that says I've had some taste of the truth, I've had a realization, I know it already. It's where we stop learning, and there's no longer any growth.

And also, like the way it affects our own psychology, there can be a very almost looking like Saturn, like a sort of just like, yeah, there's no point in anything, or I got it all figured out, and take the journey has stopped, and there can be certain attitudes or beliefs that are just kind of keeping us at this level where maybe we've been telling ourselves something for a long time, we've been orienting into life with a certain attitude or perspective or way of thinking, and you know, Pluto is going to reflect the evolutionary gate of, you need to evolve.

So, on the one hand, you can say there's, there might be a lot of tension and pressure relative to where we feel like we're not growing, or there's no expansion, or we feel kind of alienated, or disconnected from our own truth, or living authentically. Authenticity is a big part of Jupiter, like you know, when you have a realization it's authentic, you taste orange juice, it's orange juice, you don't, you don't, and you don't believe you tasted orange juice, you know it right, like the difference between a belief, something you believe in versus something that you know is a really important distinction here, and but we can easily live a life convincing ourselves that we know, maybe we knew, or our friend knew, or our teacher knew.

We read about it, and it made sense. So we decided that we know. We told ourselves that it's true, but we never really knew. Like actual knowledge is like within the domain of Jupiter. Actual knowledge is just comes from direct experience, and it's nothing to be proven, nothing to be spoken about, really. It's known, so we have to appreciate there's more to have a direct realization about, and so it might face the limits, and we can feel small.

We can feel like I can't make it. I feel like, you know, I don't have the potential. I, Jupiter often looks at potential through the lens of, you know, other people's success, or what other people realize, or the thing that I read, and often what lacks in Jupiter is a certain integrity to actually walk that path of oneself and not sort of replicate or pretend or convince oneself of an idea or a truth that actually hasn't been realized, so there can be this disempowered quality that really comes up, that's on the one hand, right?

The other hand, since we're looking at that evolutionary window, is just profound essential breakthroughs, being able to kind of eliminate Pluto, get to the root of our own limiting beliefs and ideas, and also have the courage and the honesty, the integrity to be honest with ourselves, like that's the bottom line, like that Pluto is a concentrating, getting really deep with what do I know, what's true for me, what do I need to change, what opportunities or change.

Changes do I need to embrace right now, and just going for it. It's like, where we have that calling for deeper insight, and it's our imperative to make that insight to really look deeply. I'll say, like, you can't with Jupiter, you can't plan for a realization, because it's all you know, it's all it's always spontaneous, like an insight or realizations of spontaneous experience.

Yeah, but we can create the space for it by being honest with ourselves and realizing that there's a whole lot of clouded beliefs and ideas that we're just like holding on to. Those are some thoughts on that. Yeah, that's that's brilliant. I was just, I was just having this moment recently, because Jupiter in Cancer, as it was finishing up, it conjoined my son in Cancer, and I know this is going to sound, this is going to sound bad, but I'll just say it anyway, because it's true, is that I've always, I've always given my best to being a good dad.

I've always really tried, but until Jupiter crossed my son, I feel like I didn't, I didn't love it. It wasn't that I don't love my kids, right? It was that the role of being a parent I felt that I ought to do, I felt that I should do, and I really genuinely gave it my best from exactly the space you're describing, where it's like I know something ought to be done, I know something is true, there's a sense of duty, obligation, intellectual belief, like real belief, it's good to be a good parent, and so on and so forth, right.

Jupiter crossed my son, and I realized I love being a parent, and it was so profound. It sounds silly, because it's not like I don't have affection for my kids or warmth for my family or anything like that, but there had never been something as substantial as, like, I really love being a dad, I love doing this, and now I get to really feel that, in addition to knowing it's a good thing to do. I love that.

Yeah, it was really cool. It was super cool, but it goes to exactly what you're saying, which is that there's a difference between believing and knowing something, and even when we know something. I remember my guru in the Bhakti tradition said, when you have a realization, keep it a secret, even to yourself, so that you can live it rather than believe it again. Wow, that's great. That's amazing.

I sat in an ayahuasca ceremony about a month ago, or so, and often I will have a journal next to me to, you know, capture some of the insights, and and I didn't do that this time, because I had during the ceremony, I had this really deep sort of recognition that I need to allow myself to know it, yeah, not remember it, not look it up, you know, yeah, that's lovely, I, yeah, okay, so if we, we have Jupiter and Pluto opposing one another.

It sounds like the potential for not real living wisdom about how to, on the one hand, I could feel like someone being like I am realizing deeply, knowing that there is something I desire, a path that I have to follow, rooted in a desire that's becoming clear to me now. I could also see someone coming to the realization that they've exhausted a desire and really being filled with the wisdom of knowing that, and then what kind of, what kind of change can be created in life direction, purpose, meaning in the wake of having a, I mean, I think there's a lot of desires that burn off from us, interests that come and go, but Jupiter, opposite Pluto, it feels like the level at which you could let go of something could be significantly deeper, more almost more paradigmatic, in total, totally, yeah, especially, I mean, especially with the Neptune, you're honest, and going on with it, man. July is, can't be understated.

No, yeah, we've got the Mars, even Mars Uranus at the beginning of July that I'm thinking about right now, too. So, anyway, yeah, yeah, I think it can be very, very permeating, very essential if we consider that Jupiter also has the effect of blowing up or expanding or making more evidence anything that it touches, and Pluto, by its nature, is, you know, the interesting variable with Pluto is desire, like how much we want to grow, because that's sort of the, in my mind, that the variable, it's kind of not on the needle.

Chart, it's a little bit harder for me to understand this principle of free will, where we have this agency to really choose in the moment what we want to focus on. Yeah, you know, and it's not about I'm going to choose to let go of this desire, it's like I'm going to choose to look at it right now. I'm going to choose to actually meet. I'm going to choose to actually present what's in my field, what's in my program, what's actually alive.

Oh, that resentment, that hurt, that pain, that longing, that that is where we can really bring our attention. And then, how do we choose to move with that? I think a big part of life is like there's that interaction between the field and how it's, how it's arising, but we're in this very powerful relationship to it by the internal alchemy. Yeah, you know, in the process, and I think a transit like this is the, the calling to really get, really drop into what's going on.

Yeah, so there can be this profound insights. I would just add one thing as well. The extent to which we're willing to be wrong, the extent to which we're willing to see something that we didn't expect or didn't want, is really important to have open-mindedness to truly learn. It doesn't mean doubting what we already know, it means not grabbing it, not holding on.

Yeah, then there's going to be more learning, and we think Pluto, Jupiter really reveals that we don't know what we're holding on, like we don't know what we've been fixed on, and so we shouldn't be too quick to designate the parameters of our education, because what it's undoing for us, you know. Yes, yeah, I, it brings to my mind one of my favorite prayers from Thomas Merton.

I don't know if you've ever heard about him before, but he, he was.. I'm trying to remember if he was a Franciscan or a Dominican, I can't remember, but anyway, he.. he was really a Universalist at heart and had friendships with people like Thich Nhat Hanh and others, but he wrote a prayer, and it was, I love it, because it was basically like from the Christian tradition, it was basically like, dear God, I have no idea where I'm going, I don't know exactly what I need, I'm not even sure I know what I want, you know, I'm trying my best, but I know I'm going to get it wrong, and it was just, it was so humble, but also not self-effacing in a, in a negative way, you know.

It was just like, honest, my experience. I was born with Sun Pluto in a tight square. My experience of Pluto throughout my life has always been like I can feel when it feels like there's this a little bit of a what do I want to call it. Oh, here's it's a voice inside that I hear that says if you let go of this thing that you really don't want to let go of, but you know you need to, it's going to be.. you can't even imagine how much happier and what kind of creative space positive changes are going to come into your life?

And the first examples of this in my life were so terrifying, I couldn't imagine that things would be better by letting go, by letting go of things that I didn't think I could do without, but every step of the way, it's like that general sense of growing with Pluto is like when you feel that stirring, like it's it's time for another change, it's time for a release of a desire, something that's not serving you any longer on your evolutionary path, and you're maybe you're not quite to the point where a breakdown has absolutely necessitated letting it go.

Well, here you have this amazing opportunity to let it go, and to get to celebrate the choice you made to let it go, not sort of having your hand forced, which Pluto I feel like has a lot of patience with, but eventually will bring us to that point, if we're not, you know, so I love that, and I would add to it. One of the most powerful experiences of my life was when I put out a prayer, do whatever it takes to wake me up, and that's a powerful prayer. Yeah, what followed was hard.

Yeah, right. I mean, it kind of, kind of just opens up the life that I'm in, and it could open the doors to a whole new thread of experiences that have set in motion something that I probably wouldn't have purposely, on my own, chosen consciously, right. And so, there's something about, we have our program, we have the things we're holding on to, we have our fixations, we have our unconscious elements, we have where we get stuck, and there's a deeper grace and beauty here of saying, thinking from that prayer from Thomas Morton, I don't really know what's in my best interest, because sometimes I think it's letting go.

So other times it's moving in more deeply, yeah, sure, and sometimes we, we, you know, sort of the, the humility of actually being open to what the teaching is, yeah, life will bring us the experiences that will actually, with Jupiter or Pluto, it might actually really highlight the core curriculum of our life right now. It's like this is exactly where you are stuck. This is exactly, and to have the humility to recognize, I don't know what to do, I, you know, and to kind of let the life circumstances show us, yeah, it's a beautiful Jupiter orientation to be like I'm just going to trust this pilgrimage, yeah, yeah, that's the point, yeah.

Oh, absolutely, yeah, it's, it's like there are times where, yeah, you, I mean, on the one hand, I feel like sometimes there's promptings of like, let go now or it's going to be harder later, but then there's also times where I have learned to recognize that it's like you're not going to be hurt and penalized for really allowing your desire to be burnt off and not trying to preemptively burn it off, and it, you know, like you can trust that process, but I do feel like Pluto appreciates awareness around it, meaning if I was praying to the universe through Pluto that as long as I'm like, look, I really don't know where I'm going, but I know that I'm not done with whatever this desire is, please guide me safely along the way, like that goes a long way too, you know, deeply, deeply, yeah, this has been so much fun. I want to add in one last layer, if we can, which is any thoughts you have on the Leo Aquarius access that we might be sure, yeah.

So, man, there's a lot to say, so I'm sure more to come from both of us, but so I think you know this is very revolutionary. You think of, like, to think to orient on a personal level. So, Jupiter in Leo is believing in yourself, having confidence in your potential. There's more to realize, there's more to actualize. You have creative purpose. There's like, you know, you can do it. Have some confidence in, there's more possibility and potential for your own personal growth and accomplishments, and what you can become and what you can make out of your life.

Jupiter and Leo is really does encourage a positive attitude in terms of believing in oneself, of course. It's also can be the height of arrogance and self-inflation and self-importance, and the false ego, the false guru archetype, and all that fun stuff. So, we have that dichotomy with Jupiter and Leo, of, you know, this is, you can do more, you can become more, you can achieve more, you can expand, and there's more possible, there's more potential, there's more joy in your life that you can actualize, and then all the other stuff, so that we have this in opposition to Pluto and Aquarius.

Pluto and Aquarius, on one level, as we kind of rise above the entanglement of the subjective field of our life experience, we develop more of that bird's eye view, where we're actually able to see the program, like free of desire, we can see the field, so the less fixated we on are we are on this is who I am in the world, this is my role, this is my seat in society, this is where people know me to be, this is how I belong, this is the structure that I've set around who I am in this world, like the less fixed we are on that, the more open we are to something new, you know, it could be like the way that we see Pluto, Aquarius, on one level of interpretation is going to just focus immense amount of attention on where we're overly conditioned, and thus, where we're suppressing our own vibration, our own individuality, and so there might be a sense of, oh, this is what it's like to blossom and step outside of the known and the frameworks of the life that I've been living, when I'm not afraid of just being who I am.

I think this combination really does require courage, the willingness to step into the unknown and to break out of the boxes that we've set. It asks for us to believe in ourselves and be willing to make a radical, and I'm not understating the intensity of this transit with all the other stuff, like to really possibly make a radical change, or to be open to radical change in the way that we are choosing to live our life from a deeper authentic seat of this is who I really am, right, and I'll just say, like, the other, the other end of that is, like, you know, Aquarius is elitism, and Leo is arrogant, so we.

We can have a lot of, you know, people and groups of people being I'm right, this is, but also political revolutions, and finally saying, hey, we know we deserve better, we're ready for something different, you know, Jupiter is the king in this case, right? So all that kind of stuff, yeah, that's that is it is really fascinating, I think it's really fascinating to consider the potential death of king motifs, ego wise, but also upon a personal level with the ego, but also collectively, because the Jupiter casimi also classically, when the sun gets really close to Jupiter, Jupiter was thought to be burning up and dying in its synodic cycle, and then being reborn.

So, right after Jupiter opposed Pluto, we have this reset of Jupiter, and you just get the feeling that there could be leadership changes, there could be, and also if we take the idea of a solar figure collectively out of the collective and back to the personal, and we think who or what within me is leading the program, you know, and how is that going through? Like, is there like a regime change psychologically or spiritually or philosophically, or in terms of the meaning that my life is aimed at, all of those things?

It does feel like one of the biggest transits of the year. We looked a lot early in the year. I know a lot of us astrologers were looking at Saturn, Neptune, Uranus changing signs. There's been some big activity, but this is this month of July is right up there. It's very intense to me. It's the biggest one. What would you say about that? Yeah, I think it has to be. I think you know I'm interested in October because of the multiple retrogrades, the Venus retrograde in Scorpio, you know, Uranus and Pluto are kind of coming together around that time, so but I think with this, the changing of the nodes, the eclipse in Leo in August, it really does feel like July and August are like the center stage for 2026 yeah, yeah.

Anyway, I think this is probably a good place to wrap up for now, but Ari, I want to thank you for being here, and I want to also just promote your, your work. So let me hold on, let me get my little banners up. Where are they? Here, are they here? Yeah, so actually, tell me your, your YouTube again. Sure. Heart and soul centered astrology. I am missing one of my.. so is this.. does that look right? Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, so it's at heart and soul centered astrology on YouTube, and then Instagram. I forgot, it's.. I think Ari Moshe Wolf or Ari Mulf. I think I love you. Instagram's kind of a potpourri of, like, I might play a few songs and then maybe talk astrology. Or, okay, so what's your website? We'll do that. Arimocom. All right, so I'll just put that one on, so people can see that as well.

So, re emotion.com Yeah, you can pick up classes from Ari in the evolutionary perspective easily in my mind. One of the best practitioners out there, and someone whose work I especially resonate with, because I think we both share very similar spiritual values, like let's at Norwac. I was giving a talk this year, and I said to me, with astrology, keeping it heart-centered is everything, heart and soul centered, let's call it, and that the main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.

So, what, regardless of the fact that we practice in different paradigms, for Ari and I both, the main thing is the focus of the soul, and it's, it's growth is it's why we're here, so we agree upon that, and I think that's why it's so easy and fun to talk with you indeed. Yeah. Thank you. Well, on that note, we will close this episode.

Thank you, guys, for listening, and we'll sure, we'll surely get back together and do more, probably this summer, at some point. So, we'll look forward to that. All right. Take it easy, everyone. Bye bye.